Which candidate for econology (Presidential 2012)?

[bamboo]

If you had wanted to be "fair", you would have had to do the same with the other prominent candidates ...

If that reassures you I also have problems with the other candidates. But as we were talking about Mélanchon, I said that the argument advanced in his favor was shameless.

You could have posted the entire text block that related to his income when you posted the link.

It has already been said that his income miraculously passed through his high-wage filter.

Strangely, someone has since changed the text on Wikipedia!

Are you suggesting that I changed it?
Its heritage is still there.

If you had been perceptive, you would have seen that he had voluntarily renounced his retirement as a senator

He did not give up: he did not liquidate it.
It’s totally different. He will take it as soon as he is elected or when he abandons political life.

and reduced 25% of other resources for the benefit of the community (or something).

??

I am not a leftist, but I find it rather odious of such procedures which instrumentalize information supposed to bring credit to a candidate by using it in fact to lower him (am I not a model of fairness myself- even ).

He pretends to be a saint and you find it odious that someone denounces that it is a shark like the others ?
And Janic's calculations (which Christophe perfectly dismantled), are they honest?

I am not deceiving anyone: I state figures that are self-sufficient ... I do not pretend to make calculations to deceive the voter.

[bamboo]

Indeed ... but too late we have (wrong) voted!

By the way, Christophe, question which has nothing to do and to which you are not obliged to answer (it is the "one" which makes me doubt): you can vote in France yourself or not?

The second round will be tight anyway because the 20% of the FN weigh heavy and are rather in favor of sarko ...

According to "specialists", only 50% of the FN usually refer to the right.

[Obamot]

indy49: I'm not hinting at all, I just wanted to make you understand that sometimes, it's hard to catch you. I try to be pragmatic. If you want to get ideas across, you have to stay fair (but you're the one who sees your method, that's not my problem ... your method ...).

If you had wanted to be "fair", you would have had to do the same with the other prominent candidates ...

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You could have posted the entire text block that related to his income when you posted the link.

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Strangely, someone has since changed the text on Wikipedia!

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If you had been perceptive, you would have seen that he had voluntarily renounced his retirement as a senator

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and reduced 25% of other resources for the benefit of the community (or something).

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I am not a leftist, but I find it rather odious of such procedures which instrumentalize information supposed to bring credit to a candidate by using it in fact to lower him (am I not a model of fairness myself- even ).

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Tssss ... do you see the self-derision, the second degree? Aren't you the wrong target, politically ?! It was a question of putting reasonable priorities according to the current situation ... Mélanchon was certainly one of them (if he had not been there, there would have been an even more considerable fire from the FN, that would have been to be deplored unless that's France you want ...)

I don't really care how we can go down a candidate (or an argument) point by point. I work with reflection and feeling. Now it's a bit late for reflection...> Mélanchon is dismissed ...

Like I said, I'm not from the left but I was just talking about the bottom and the outsiders who were likely to break through, except that there, voting for Hollande has become essential, to end the grotesque farce of today (when you have a voter card in France)

It is only fair my opinion, except for Mélanchon who seemed to me the only sincere one: I have already said my disappointment!

[louphil]

Well, the dice (piped) are thrown ... What to choose between the plague and cholera?

Indeed, there are only three options left, and econology no longer seems up to date when it comes to survival, and to avoid a return to barbarism !!!

The hope that had blown on these elections with a very pragmatic Melenchon has shriveled out of the oven, unfortunately ...

Knowing that the only difference between Talonnette 1er and Hollande's policies will be the petroleum jelly served by the latter, when it was not even offered as an option by the former, I really ask myself the question of attitude to adopt for May 6 ...

It is clear that with lubrication helping, Hollande will be able to continue the work of dismantling our social and democratic system undertaken with Pompidou and Giscard, followed by a pause of 2 years of hope under Mitterand, then resumed by lack of choice ...

The consequences would be quite simply, to obtain only an increasingly generalized dissatisfaction of the people, which would undoubtedly result in a return of the radical right, in the person of Copé, in 2017, in the best of cases , or even represented by Narine, in the worst ... At least, if the right to vote is maintained by then ...

Also, the 3 options that are presented are:

1) Confirm Hollande with the consequences described above (not very encouraging)

2) Amnesty Sarko of all the pots he drags, but with the hope (despite everything very slim) of a fundamental change in 2017, after 5 more years, of a pushy and coercive policy ... (yuck. ..)

3) A massive abstention from delegitimization of the elected candidate, even if it means manifesting during the legislative elections in June ... (bof)

I admit that the third option, in my eyes, seems to me the most suitable for the situation, although it would bother me deeply, that Sarko escapes justice ...

[Obamot]

Not better

Well, the “outgoing”, we know what it's worth, as you say!
- a front-end gathering with leftist ministers, contrary to its promises since it only carried out an ultra-liberal policy which does not represent the electorate - that this turn to the right nobody believed it, not even the Lepenists -. Pure lies, when its practices, which they are just to vomit even for a liberal.

There remains the hope that Hollande (socialist = moderate right for me) hides his game and that ecological ministers, from the left front or even Ségolène tendency, will find themselves in government ... If only for them to assume their socialist status! That's the alternation (I'm more of a Democrat ... ...)

Too early therefore to make a lawsuit in Holland.

The urgency is to get out the outgoing

[louphil]

I feel very optimistic about Hollande ...

With ministers like Valls or Moscovici, I feel it very badly ...

Indeed, a party with affiliates, and not least, in the IMF, it really does not look like the left at all, nor the social word ...

The fact of rallying to the PS of various personalities, like Mr Besson, in the last minute does not inspire me any confidence, if it is not a change of course towards the most probable "mess" ...

The "I'm not dangerous" in the city, do not inspire me any better, no more than the flagship measures of his campaign like 60000 teachers and 10000 more police officers within a framework of budgetary restrictions and rigor, to obey the powers financial ...

Which administrations will he strip to dress up national education and internal security? Health already sick? Finish privatizing EDF? The post office ? The Sncf?

And no better for his 75% tax bracket for the wealthy, which is nothing but unachievable demagoguery ...

[bamboo]

The fact of rallying to the PS of various personalities, like Mr Besson

Besson returned to the PS ?? He does yoyo that one! (Unless you are not talking about Besson which has already changed sides 5 years ago?)

[louphil]

If, if ... He and a few others, just before the first round ...

http://www.agoravox.fr/culture-loisirs/parodie/article/coup-de-theatre-eric-besson-se-115110

[bamboo]

It's marked "parody".

That said, they are all so ready for anything that it could have been believable.

[louphil]

Hi, hi,

I also had a shock when I read it ... I had "hit" afterwards !!!

Well, the scenario would not have surprised me more than that after thinking ... After all the cn tricks we have been playing lately ...