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by martien007 » 12/06/08, 00:56

....... this is what happens (and yet it is in Spain and Portugal where I believed that the economy was flourishing according to the words of these Gentlemen of Europe in Brussels):

MADRID (AFP) - 11/06/08 21:44 PM

Portuguese and Spanish truckers strike causes shortages

The strike of Spanish and Portuguese truckers against expensive diesel fuel, interspersed with violent incidents, caused Wednesday in its third day shortages in the Iberian Peninsula, paralyzing the automobile industry in Spain where the government has hardened the tone towards the strikers.

The jet fueling of aircraft was suspended at Lisbon airport, with the exception of priority flights, while fuel was delivered under police escort near Lisbon and in north-eastern Spain.

After two days of blockade, traffic returned to normal at the Franco-Spanish border at the Perthus pass, the French truck drivers having raised their pickets while their Spanish colleagues were dislodged by the police, clearing the way for 4.000 heavyweight.

But the border between the two countries remained blocked at the level of Irun and Biriatou, on the Atlantic coast.

Several Portuguese hypermarket chains have expressed concern over the shortage of fresh produce, especially milk.

In Spain, where tens of kilometers of traffic jams caused by snail operations were still reported around the big cities, the main wholesale markets were almost no longer supplied with fresh products.

Milk, eggs, fresh meat or fish, were scarce on the shelves of certain supermarkets.

These ad hoc shortages were compounded by the fact that many consumers rushed to the shelves to stock up on supplies.

The truckers' strike mainly penalized the automotive sector, which depends on daily deliveries of spare parts. Seat, Nissan, Renault, PSA Peugeot Citroën and Mercedes Benz factories were totally or partially paralyzed in Spain on Wednesday.

The shortage is also starting to weigh on car production in Belgium, where two factories, Volvo and Audi, will be shut down on Thursday because they lack spare parts made in Spain.

In the rest of Europe, 50.000 Polish truckers protested briefly on the country's roads, without blocking traffic. The Dutch truckers announced for Thursday specific snail operations.

The Spanish government warned on Wednesday that it would act "with the utmost firmness" against truck pickets that hamper the free movement of people and the activity of their non-striking colleagues.

Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba has promised to guarantee the delivery, under police escort if necessary, of basic necessities (fuel, food, medicine), and spare parts for the automotive sector. He announced that 53 truckers have been arrested since Tuesday for illegal actions.

Truckers' strike is punctuated by violent incidents in Portugal and Spain, where two truckers were respectively killed on Tuesday, knocked down by vehicles at pickets.

In Spain, a truck driver was badly burned at night near Alicante (southeast) while sleeping in his burnt out truck. In Portugal, two trucks were burned and others attacked with stones at night.

The two minority Spanish truckers' organizations on strike (Fenadismer and Confedetrans) resumed negotiations on Wednesday with the government, which refuses to comply with their main demand: setting a minimum tariff.

The European Commission ruled on Wednesday that European countries "can and must take targeted measures to support the most disadvantaged" in the face of soaring oil prices, while ensuring not to "delay adaptation" to a less dependent economy hydrocarbons.


So without oil everything is paralyzed! to say the least, even the European Commission is starting to panic, so when the crude is 250, what will happen.

We are all addicted to petroleum, the problem is that many are not aware of it.

"Ya que" is easy to say, but how to make this armada of trucks that transport products from place to place in Europe roll? the only solution is to stop this unnecessary transport bullshit and consolidate instead of relocating.

The good thing is that expensive oil will force leaders to think differently, but in how many years?
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by Christophe » 12/06/08, 01:05

Très bien (except the wounded and the violence ...) it will make us look a little cleaner for a while and it will no longer pollute our stalls with shitty fruits and vegetables bred and preserved with products which it is better not to not know the chemical formula ... : Cheesy:

I copy paste what I just wrote on the subject in another subject:

Christophe wrote:The problem is not technological but rather economic: the truckers transport products because the Consumers buy without looking at the origin but only the price...

For some stuff there is no choice we agree but for so many others the alternative exists ... how many millions of liters of water are transported per year while tap water is drinkable EVERYWHERE in FRANCE ?

How many fruit and vegetables come from the other end of the planet stuffed with pesticides and fungicide and to end up in the dumpster because unsold?

Etc., etc...When the average consumer looks at this, then truck traffic will decrease ... not before ..

Besides, don't the truckers pass the price on to the final product? Because of EU competition then it is up to French companies to make the choice to make French companies work in priority ...
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by Philippe Schutt » 12/06/08, 08:27

I see it a little differently.
It is because elected officials have given in the past that all groups that feel strong are embarking on forms of terrorism. Because I cannot name otherwise to starve an entire population.

If it was undoubtedly doomed to fail, it would not be. And seen from governments, we can say that lowering the frock tends to get fucked.
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by Christophe » 12/06/08, 09:20

Terrorism is a bit strong ... but blackmail without problem.

Now do those who give in have a choice? The blocking of refineries is a disaster for the ECONOMY (and a respite for the ECOLOGY ... but it's not the debate). I'm not talking about the petroleum economy but the petroleum economy. Without oil, our economy is (almost) paralyzed.

Then I do not think that we are at the point of starvation there ... The loss of a few% of turnover of the supermarket will not kill anyone. The blockers have families too so I don't think we can talk about starvation ...
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by martien007 » 12/06/08, 10:48

Christophe wrote:Très bien (except the wounded and the violence ...) it will make us look a little cleaner for a while and it will no longer pollute our stalls with shitty fruits and vegetables bred and preserved with products which it is better not to not know the chemical formula ... : Cheesy:

I copy paste what I just wrote on the subject in another subject:

Christophe wrote:The problem is not technological but rather economic: the truckers transport products because the Consumers buy without looking at the origin but only the price...

For some stuff there is no choice we agree but for so many others the alternative exists ... how many millions of liters of water are transported per year while tap water is drinkable EVERYWHERE in FRANCE ?

How many fruit and vegetables come from the other end of the planet stuffed with pesticides and fungicide and to end up in the dumpster because unsold?

Etc., etc...When the average consumer looks at this, then truck traffic will decrease ... not before ..

Besides, don't the truckers pass the price on to the final product? Because of EU competition then it is up to French companies to make the choice to make French companies work in priority ...

Have you noticed that there are not only fruits and vegetables in the trucks?

All parts and appliances stocks of all kinds are on the road because companies want minimum stocks.

Without these trucks the whole economy collapses: you no longer receive your items that you sell on your site and you can no longer send them to your buyers, nor the parts that were used to make your last purchased car .... etc. EVERYTHING IS IN THE TRUCKS.

Whose fault is it ? to all of us who voted for Maastricht (Europe) but not only, to globalization.

Of course for food and water we can do otherwise, but rice for example, you are not going to make a paddy field at the bottom of your garden fed by your "water hammer" system.

And the computers we all use (and their spare parts + ink cartridges ..) do they come by teleport?

This TGV launched at TGV speed can no longer stop: all the functioning of countries around the world is suspended from oil. Even small fishermen in the depths of Indonesia have small motor boats. The whole planet is addicted to petroleum.

All the know-how of the ancients who functioned without oil is gradually disappearing and even with great strides.

I have a hard time seeing the disillusioning tomorrows.
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by Christophe » 12/06/08, 10:52

So what? You are right on the bottom but all this will not last and it will awaken the consciousness of the bosses (they are the ones who lose the most) faced with the oil danger.

Also important: 95% of current goods are NOT essential goods ... it leaves a lot of room for maneuver right?
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by martien007 » 12/06/08, 11:01

Christophe wrote:So what? You are right but all this will not last and it will awaken the consciousness of the bosses (they are the ones who lose the most) faced with the oil danger.

Yes, but no short-term alternative: either the carriers pass on the increase in diesel fuel to their customers, resulting in higher prices, or they go bankrupt.

It must be said that they have trucks that cost small fortunes to amortize; so they should drive as much as possible if they want to get out. The bosses are all in debt because everything can be bought on credit.

The "civilized" (I would soon say "debilitated") world lives on credit.

So for now: oil + expensive = inflation (which has been observed for a year).

In addition important fact: 95% of current goods are NOT essential goods ... it leaves a lot of room for maneuver right?


Yes, but where does the first necessity in 1 in France begin? what is the question?

The Chinese rode their bikes and did not pollute in Beijing and now they "all" want their car.

It is the consumer society that has perverted man.

But as "homo petroleus" considers that the so-called primitive peoples are backward and uncivilized, we see the result !!
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by Philippe Schutt » 12/06/08, 11:05

not yet starvation, but the threat is there.
Politicians only see voices. a few% of turnover in hypermarkets will not bother them. On the other hand, the threatened jobs in the automobile factories, that yes, because they cannot replace these factories. and climbing unemployment - falling voices.

What is lacking at our stage is no longer an analysis of the faults of the current system, but a viable alternative economic model, of the type that we put in computers to make simulations.

at the moment all ideas translate into a massive drop in lifestyle. No elected official will accept to embark on something like that, since the voting system favors the most assholes. So the evolution will be done by the force of the shortage.

And the fact that the Club of Rome had planned does not help, just we knew but did nothing.

Coming back to the truckers, I see only one corporation that seeks to shift the cost of inevitable change onto others. They can do it through their organization. Others have done it successfully before them and continue.
In my opinion, the systematic backfilling is reaching its point of ineffectiveness, and I am convinced that a government that never gives in would be appreciated.
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by Christophe » 12/06/08, 11:05

martien007 wrote:Yes, but no short-term alternative: either the carriers pass on the increase in diesel fuel to their customers, resulting in higher prices, or they go bankrupt.


Oh yeah no alternative ??? And pantone water doping, how long have we been talking about it?

No carrier had courage to test since 2001.

So should we now show compassion for their profession? Sorry it's too much for me !! : Evil:

ps: a truck that drives well pays for itself in a few months ... less than a year so I don't worry about them ... it also surprised me but it was a pro who told me ca a few years ago. Besides, it's not hard: 500km for 1 pallet is charged around 100 € .... the estimate of the monthly turnover / truck is quickly made. 30 to 40 pallets per truck. 600 to 800 km per day ... let's say 4000 € per day circulated in CA ... do the counting ...
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