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by Janic » 15/11/19, 09:00

Not too soon !
to compare with our own situation. How long has the woman owned her income and property? How long has she been voting? Where is gender equality hidden? We are not yet out of our medieval structures and we want to lecture or try other cultures.
We want to ban the veil (falsely Islamic) in our "secular" countries (sic), but our fellow citizens do not submit to the cultures of these countries when they go there. What do we take ourselves for?
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by sen-no-sen » 15/11/19, 12:03

Janic wrote:
Not too soon !
to compare with our own situation. How long has the woman owned her income and property? How long has she been voting? Where is gender equality hidden? We are not yet out of our medieval structures and we want to lecture or try other cultures.
We want to ban the veil (falsely Islamic) in our "secular" countries (sic), but our fellow citizens do not submit to the cultures of these countries when they go there. What do we take ourselves for?


You are completely off topic! This is about preserving heritage ...
In the world we see a will of the populations to preserve their cultural heritage, this is how we can transmit our generation to the generation.
However in the Saudi case, the desire so far to destroy the vestiges of the past was part of a strategy of manipulation.
This tendency to destroy annoying buildings and other literary works is part of a desire for historical rewriting.
The objective was to erase the traces of the past in order to rewrite the present in order to secure future ideological domination.
Indeed, how to question the historical facts if no more vestiges of the past allow to affirm or to invalidate the "official teachings"?
It is a typical maneuver of totalitarian thought systems (Nazism, Stalinist and Maoist communism, Taliban).
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by Janic » 15/11/19, 12:54

I understand you, but is that not what we have done ourselves throughout our history and even more so during the French Revolution? So we can regret certain acts, long after their completion, but how many of these testimonies of a certain past have destroyed our close wars?
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by sen-no-sen » 15/11/19, 13:27

Janic wrote:I understand you, but is that not what we have done ourselves throughout our history and even more so during the French Revolution?


During the French Revolution there was an attempt to dechristianization, always according to the same principle proper to totalitarian memetic complexes, it was necessary to erase the past and thought to implant new ideas there. However this attempt failed, the concordat reestablishing worship in 1802.
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by GuyGadebois » 15/11/19, 14:05

sen-no-sen wrote:
Janic wrote:I understand you, but is that not what we have done ourselves throughout our history and even more so during the French Revolution?


During the French Revolution there was an attempt to dechristianize,always according to the same principle specific to totalitarian memetic complexes, it was necessary to erase the past and thought to implant new ideas there. However this attempt failed, the concordat reestablishing the worship in 1802.

And who did the revolutionaries imitate?
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by Janic » 15/11/19, 14:23

During the French Revolution there was an attempt to dechristianize,
not only that, it was also a means of settling personal accounts by denouncing unbelievers and our last two great wars had nothing to do with any religion. America very Christianized, supporting dechristianized France, against a Christianized Germany, with the help of dechristianized Russia.
always according to the same principle specific to memetic complexes of a totalitarian nature, it was necessary to erase the past and thought to implant new ideas there.
but by the same methods and means that this totalitarian system tried to eradicate. A bad system cannot be replaced by a good system on the same basis.
However, this attempt failed, the concordat reestablishing worship in 1802.
We must also see why with the results of the terror and the bloodshed it had engendered. One does not convince people by force and terror, [*] but by example and THE restored cults reduced the boundless overflows noted.

[*] like the 11 vaccines imposed by force against the other countries of Europe. : Cheesy:
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by sen-no-sen » 15/11/19, 14:42

GuyGadebois wrote:And who did the revolutionaries imitate?


It is an induced methodology it appears as a necessity. The evolution of ideas joins the evolution of species on this point, it is not necessary to have recourse to a design so that strategies are necessary to Unless you are yet another creationist?

Janic wrote:but by the same methods and means that this totalitarian system tried to eradicate. A bad system cannot be replaced by a good system on the same basis.


It is an evolutionary strategy specific to memetic complexes, it is for this reason that we find this kind of practice through the ages independently of the ideological base.
Nazism is something very different from Communism or Wahhabi Islam, yet we find its parallels.
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by Janic » 15/11/19, 14:53

Janic wrote:
but by the same methods and means that this totalitarian system tried to eradicate. A bad system cannot be replaced by a good system on the same basis.
It is an evolutionary strategy specific to memetic complexes, it is for this reason that we find this kind of practice through the ages independently of the ideological base.
Nazism is something very different from Communism or Wahhabi Islam, yet we find its parallels.
absolutely! This is why we should not expect the current system to do better than the one before. The first ones break, the following ones break, and those after will do the same! By what human miracle would it change?
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by sen-no-sen » 15/11/19, 15:08

Janic wrote: absolutely! This is why we should not expect the current system to do better than the one before. The first ones break, the following ones break, and those after will do the same! By what human miracle would it change?


We are talking here about totalitarian and totalizing ideologies.
Not all thought systems are part of this trend, the current dominant system, which we can call exponential economism does not fundamentally work on the eradication of old thought systems but rather on a recovery (of an economic nature) of everything.
It is a little like this fungus which parasites the brain of ants, there is parasitization and diversion, but not strict and rapid eradication, at least not in the short term.
For example, it is more economically advantageous to transform a cathedral into tourist places to make cash than to destroy it ... even if on a large scale the generalization of economism tend to effectively destroy thought systems like Christianity, by replacing it with structural nihilism.
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by GuyGadebois » 15/11/19, 15:33

sen-no-sen wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:And who did the revolutionaries imitate?


It is an induced methodology it appears as a necessity. The evolution of ideas joins the evolution of species on this point, it is not necessary to have recourse to a design so that strategies are necessary to Unless you are yet another creationist?

What a hoax! After the "criticism of the form rather than the substance", "the gamberge", "Research in the go that I push you", "an opinion on a subject that we do not know", the famous "manifest inference "Here comes the club argument: you refute the memetic / you would be creationist.
Considering the mistakes of agreements that you make regularly, I have the impression that memetics did not work in the middle of your home ... or that you do not understand some significant parts of our rules of communication. The more I read you, the more it emerges that your way of explaining everything through the prism of this pseudo-science (the carelessness of policies, pollution of the planet, its destruction, wars, revolutions ... . junk food ... Santa Claus, Mardi Gras ... Nestlé sweetened condensed milk?) is pure smoke or intellectual laziness, having found an opportune "abracadabra" in which, we stuff everything without needing discernment .
Are you in politics or marketing? Finally, in which crucible of crooks do you operate?
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