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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by Remundo » 24/10/18, 22:41

Janic wrote:
Remundo: So the man who is omnivorous is entitled to eat meat, it seems according to your last message.
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By a dialectical pirouette, yes,
Animals mainly follow their instincts and men their crops ...
The consumption of meat is indeed of the cultural type because to be able to eat it, it must use artifices whose nature nature did not provide unlike the rest of the living world. So it is possible for him obviously, but at the expense of other ecological aspects as well as health of the populations.

Man can eat meat, not by artifice, but by cognitive abilities and technical achievements far superior to other animals.

Eating meat without excess is good for health, and it is also the protein intake that has allowed the increase in brain mass, and therefore increased coping skills, in a virtuous circle.

animal husbandry is not necessarily anti-ecological. Industrial farms stuffed with food are.

that it is necessary to watch over the welfare of the animals, during their life and at the slaughterhouse, I completely agree.

it's not specifically related to you, Janic, but all that to say, that I really have the back of it to read anti-natalist delusions or other crazy thoughts.

Westerners seem more and more sick of themselves and engage in a very disturbing nihilism, whether assumed or unconscious.
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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by A.D. 44 » 24/10/18, 23:11

Make fewer children to avoid invading the planet, or denaturing ... Breeding for food is a problem ... Must still find a source of food ...

But the solution to all these problems are in these same problems! So there is no problem ... There is only one solution!

Let's eat our children !!! Yes, of course!
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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 25/10/18, 02:16

Janic wrote:Unfortunately infertility is one of the new plagues of the 21st century and more and more couples are affected each year.


Self regulation can be done through awareness but ........

Open supposition ...

In this regard, could we suppose that the human species being only an animal species like the others, "something" could ensure that, despite all its "science", it would be subject to a "survival function" who, whatever she can do or invent, will regulate its expansion for the sole purpose that the species can survive in the territory that is allotted to it namely the planet earth?
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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by Ahmed » 25/10/18, 10:37

Remundo, you write:
Man can eat meat, not by artifice, but by cognitive abilities and technical achievements far superior to other animals.

... that's exactly what we mean by culture! It is artificial, as opposed to nature ...

Further:
... it is also the protein intake that has allowed the increase of the cerebral mass, and therefore increased adaptability, in a virtuous circle.

Without doubt one of the first misdeeds of meat consumption? : Wink: Seriously, what did he do with these new intellectual abilities? Do you know a species that has reached such a degree of self-destruction?
Increased adaptations at the species level, of course, whereas the rule is rather a universal adaptation through the diversification of species and their specialization ...

And even:
that it is necessary to watch over the welfare of the animals, during their life and at the slaughterhouse, I completely agree.

Who wouldn't, and what does that change? Agricultural industrialization and the instrumentalization of life is incompatible with any respect. The so-called "excesses" committed by slaughterhouse workers are only the logical result of economic constraints and of what they imply as indifference towards those who suffer them (including these employees). Industrialists in the sector are well aware of this and this is the reason that led them to oppose the installation of cameras in slaughterhouses, against the proposal of Nicolas Hulot.

A.D. 44, you write:
Let's eat our children !!! Yes, of course!

"Do you like your little sister?"
"...Yes"
"So finish your plate". : Wink:

Nico239, you write:
In this respect, could we suppose that the human species being only an animal species like the others, "something" could make it possible that, in spite of all its "science", it would be subject to a "survival function" Who, whatever she may do or invent, will regulate her expansion for the sole purpose that the species can survive in the territory assigned to it, namely the planet earth?

Due to the expansion of the technosphere which is done to the detriment of living things, including their progenitor, the survival of the latter is excluded from the "plan"! : Cheesy: Only a voluntary decision, as you mentioned it, would be likely to counter the determinisms at stake: we can not with impunity do the economy of the little freedom which is allotted to us.
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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by Janic » 25/10/18, 11:19

Janic wrote:
Remundo: So the man who is omnivorous is entitled to eat meat, it seems according to your last message.
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By a dialectical pirouette, yes,
Animals mainly follow their instincts and men their crops ...
It is a pirouette that expresses the reality of our world.
The consumption of meat is indeed of the cultural type because to be able to eat it, it must use artifices whose nature nature did not provide unlike the rest of the living world. So it is possible for him obviously, but at the expense of other ecological aspects as well as health of the populations.
Man can eat meat, not by artifice, but by cognitive abilities and technical achievements far superior to other animals.
Use weapons, knives. It's technical but also artifices. Try, like real carnivores, to kill prey with your only natural tools and you risk starving yourself before you get there, which was the case with our distant ancestors ... supposedly.
But it's taking the problem under the wrong angle. Man invented the atomic bomb thanks to his cognitive abilities and technical achievements too. Does this justify it? He invented slavery, concentration camps and all the rest because of his cognitive abilities as well. He even fed his cows with animal flour and we saw the result!
In biology and comparative anatomy, these cognitive and technical criteria do not come into play. Physiology determines the criteria adapted to one mode of food and not to another. After that for reasons, understandable, circumstances such as the lack of adequate food, the human has turned to other sources, it can be understood, but we are no longer in these situations in our time in the situations of food abundance we know in our regions.
On the other hand cultural habits of meat consumption remain to the detriment of the health of the humans.
Eating meat without excess is good for your health,
still a common place that continues! The notion of excess is vague according to each and scientifically impossible to define. All addictologists are unanimous in asserting that it is not the dose that makes the poison, but its only presence whatever the product in question. If the bidoche is not a suitable product whether in small or large quantities it is not suitable for ...! You think like a picrate producer who defends his business and relies on the same reasoning " a good day, three good morning the damage ""a little drink never hurt anyone", etc ... and the rulers (who drink themselves ... or who hunt) will not go against themselves and a profession which represents an important economic sector ... such as breeding. Same cause, same effects!
and it is besides the supply of proteins which allowed the increase of the cerebral mass, and thus the faculties of adaptation increased, in a virtuous circle
This is the kind of stupid thing invented by the lobbies of the bidoche. If that were so, all the carnivores who consume exclusively of the bogey would have seen a huge increase in their cerebral mass, much more than at home, when the virtuous this term is rather poorly adapted. When it comes to protein intake (or more precisely amino acids) these are found in abundance in plant products and if it were otherwise the largest and largest animals on this planet such as elephants, rhinos, hippopotamuses, giraffes, cattle, etc. would have disappeared from this earth, for where do they find their proteins? These are the lobbies of the hawk that come out of such nonsense and everyone believes them.
animal husbandry is not necessarily anti-ecological. Industrial farms stuffed with food are.
You tend to see the farm as that of the little farmer who makes a few cows and a few hens. This mode could not meet the demand for chickens, eggs, for example, any more than in a bidoche. No, the problem is global with a growing demand from the so-called developing countries, as shown by China's rising standard of living, and all countries with a better standard of living want to do the same. it becomes an ecological emergency as much concerning the deforestations to increase the agricultural surfaces for the end of animal food, watering of the cultures, transport of these products towards the rich countries, etc .. and of course of the GAS. Even if France decreased production and consumption (we can dream) the machine is launched on the world plan and without possibility of curbing this momentum.
that it is necessary to watch over the welfare of the animals, during their life and at the slaughterhouse, I completely agree.
Re-argument widely used. Some settlers also ensured the welfare of their slaves, only, that was not justified at all from the ethical point of view. When death waits at the end of the hall, good being spent does not count much.

NB: the human spirit is bizarre, it navigates between reason and feeling. You know how, with skill, you use your neurons to analyze the technique in mechanics, but more with regard to another sector like the one that touches you emotionally.
I am also a technician and it is this form of reasoning which allowed me to dissect all this false argumentation of the lobbies of all kinds, but if I had been breeder ... who knows?
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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by sen-no-sen » 25/10/18, 11:57

AD 44 wrote: There is only one solution !!!

Let's eat our children !!! Yes, of course!


During the "great leap forward" (19581962-XNUMX) in China, the hyper-agricultural exploitation coupled with disastrous measures to lead to a gigantic famine which forced many peasants to feed on corpses and then children ...
It is estimated that this tragic episode carried away between 30 50 million people ...

The past? In view of our ultra-dependence on fossil fuels it is highly likely that in the context of a systemic collapse resulting from a sudden drop in supply (caused by a war, a pandemic, for example), many people are not there is no choice but to resort to cannibalism ... the essential part (+ 99%) of our supply being realized by means of machinery (tractor, truck, frigos), idem for our agriculture.
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Re: Make fewer children: the new green gesture?




by Ahmed » 25/10/18, 12:42

It is indeed the only food that runs the streets ... : Wink: ... but it will be hard without vegetables to accompany ... :(
And we will have to change the Latin proverb to: "Man is a sheep for man".
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