The oil soon to 250 dollars / barrel?

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by Christophe » 11/06/08, 09:44

Thank you just for this correct explanation which clarifies things a bit ...

But what do you think of Total's doubling of margins on diesel since the start of 2008? https://www.econologie.com/forums/diesel-car ... t5472.html

ps: I hope your boss doesn't go on econo :D
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by the middle » 11/06/08, 10:43

Christophe wrote:Thank you just for this correct explanation which clarifies things a bit ...

But what do you think of Total's doubling of margins on diesel since the start of 2008? https://www.econologie.com/forums/diesel-car ... t5472.html

ps: I hope your boss doesn't go on econo :D

: Cheesy: Yes, me too, I hope he does not read ...
So, you talk to me about "diesel" ..
I wanted to talk about it ...
It's just a personal reflection ... I insist ...
It's weird this rapid rise in the price of diesel ...
We are told ... ho, diesel is expensive in the refinery ....
Ho ... it pollutes ....
Ho, the balance of the distillation column has limits ...
Bin yes, you put crude oil in a distillation column, and you have gas (propane, butane) at the top
Then we go from light to heavy, etc ...
Diesel is heavier than gasoline ... therefore harder to distill than gasoline, therefore more energy to heat ... therefore more expensive ...
Well ... so why ??? before ... diesel was cheaper ????
We play with our bombs ...
No, I say no, because a refinery receives crude oil.
Then she distills this oil, and gas, gasoline, kerozene, fuel oil, and heavy fuel oil (pitch) come out.
Final point
the quantity of gas, heavy fuel oil, fuel oil, gasoline, kero, etc., depends on the quality of the oil ...
Example: Italian oil is "bad" ... too heavy and too little light ... but it is profitable ... :D
It was recently decided to make diesel expensive ...
The question is why? and who decided?
There are people who decide, that's how it is.
A diesel can run on oil .... it's so easy.
So, knowing that producing (vegetable) oil for driving is environmentally dangerous, the "leaders" decided to reduce the number of "diesel" cars via the price of diesel ...
It is a solution.
The other possibility ... is our distillation column ...
She's getting crude oil. and distills X percent gasoline and X percent diesel ....
Recently, the balance between petrol and diesel has been broken (too much diesel consumption)
So we have to rebalance all that, so we raise the price of diesel.
Highly possible
it's not easy to explain all that ... (I'm talking about the distillation column, which is almost identical to a still ... : Cheesy: )
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by Christophe » 11/06/08, 10:48

It's good to hear such a speech from an oil tanker say so!

If you have information or better documents on the precise energy balances of refining that interests me. Even better if you include prospecting, mining and transport :)

For example how much energy in% of an L of diesel are necessary for its refining. Ditto for gasoline.

For diesel the figure I have in mind is 15 to 20% depending on the quality of the oil and the modernity of the refinery.

ps: little silly question, are your salaries (or at least your bonuses) aligned with the gross?
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by the middle » 11/06/08, 10:58

Christophe wrote:It's good to hear such a speech from an oil tanker say so!

ps: little silly question, are your salaries (or at least your bonuses) aligned with the gross?


It's just my livelihood
Yes for two years, we have "gifts, the amount of which varies according to" rank ... salary level "
These bonuses are not negligible ... given the number of employees ...
Taxed gifts of course ...
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by the middle » 11/06/08, 11:06

For example how much energy in% of an L of diesel are necessary for its refining. Ditto for gasoline.

For diesel the figure I have in mind is 15 to 20% depending on the quality of the oil and the modernity of the refinery.


No time to do the research ...
For me although I work in oil, it does not matter, it is for me a detail, since the oil companies only care about their profit and not about the future of the planet, even if they talk about ecology, green fuel oil, photovoltaic ... it's all wind ...
But this is a personal opinion ... :D
Following that, they can fire me ... but it will cost them dearly ... in compensation ... and it will not make me shut my mouth ...
A bullet is cheaper :D
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by Remundo » 11/06/08, 11:27

Hi Christopher,
Christophe wrote:
Remundo wrote:Hi Martian,

Well you know, at $ 135 / barrel, add a euro / $ parity and we are already "virtually" at 200.


Keskidi? Martien is not talking about 200 € but 200 $ ...

Otherwise we don’t watch, geologically our generation will NOT know the end of oil ... except major international crisis but that is humanities, not geology.


I say that 200 Euros is not for long, as soon as the Americans straighten out their currency and will put even more pressure on the world oil market.

In France, the prices at the pump will be over 2 Euros, or even 2,50 Euros in a year or two ...

There are certainly problems of refining and excessive Dieselization, but all this is just the foam on a powerful tidal wave of which we are beginning to perceive the beginnings.

it even pisses me off that we haven't taken the bull by the horns in the face of this hyperpredictable and disastrous problem, both economically and ecologically : Evil:

"Geologically", you don't take any risks :P no one will see the end of oil!

I think for my part that we will see the decline of fossil oil, and its strong marginalization in the energy mix when we lose our teeth. 8)

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by the middle » 11/06/08, 11:33

100% agree Remondo ...
Too bad the little green men didn't come to help us .... :?
Rooohh, the pun is great..not meant to be ..
Well, I'm going to work, I have some wood to store ...
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by Rabbit » 11/06/08, 15:11

I wonder if the rise in the price of petroleum products will have
not the same origin as that of certain agricultural products.
the feeling that speculation is the reason. Shareholders
can no longer rely on industry and new technologies,
not more than on trade to make their assets grow.
For a while they were interested in real estate with
consequences that we have suffered in recent years
.Currently real estate is shrinking. There is not much left
sectors that can bring juicy profits.
petroleum products should not continue, in fact, the states and
people are too interested in economics and
diversification of energy resources.
Technology has changed a lot over the years
70, the desire to be energetically independent is also
strengthens and to this is added a real ecological concern. A decrease
sustainable consumption of petroleum products and opening up
of another speculative field can only cause the price of
barrel.
The reasons given to justify the rise in petroleum products
is nothing but smoke in the eyes of the people by our leaders to
deflect from them the wrath of the people who begin to kick
stretchers.
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by dirk pitt » 11/06/08, 15:38

not too much in agreement with rabbit and very much in agreement with remundo: besides, I like his sentence: "all this is only the foam on a powerful tidal wave"
can I reuse it without paying copyright?
I promise to punctuate it in the future with a: as Remundo rightly said ....

Speculation, the balancing wanted or not between the refined products, all that is certainly true but the tidal wave is there: the resource is limited and declining.

I find it hard to believe that when the foam dissipates, the wave will be less high ....
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by Christophe » 11/06/08, 15:46

I think that the increase in the price of fuels is less serious than that of heating fuels. I caricature but: we don't die if we don't ride ... but we can freeze to death.
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