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by Janic » 12/06/18, 16:33

(or in homeopathic doses ...) ...
what did someone talk about homeopathy? Who, where? : Cheesy:
The formulation is inaccurate (I fussy of course!) Say dose is for example take 3 tablets of paracetamol, 10 drops of floral essence, or 3 tubes of granules. By cons it is the dilution homeopathic which means in small quantity. That's it that's all! : Cheesy:
For palm oil, I think ( : Shock: ) that it is rather a question of a market which collapses with all the publicity which encourages to remove this one of the foodstuffs and which upsets the market of this product. so that would be another way to use this one!
this puts farmers (who have derived the rapeseed crop, for example, (more profitable?) towards agrofuels), angry after all the difficulty of the agricultural branch. But at the same time, diverting both their food use, it is not the top!
What is different from recycling obviously!
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by dede2002 » 12/06/18, 17:13

It's great this palm oil, initially we know that it contributes seriously to deforestation, in Malaysia and Indonesia we know that it destroys the habitat of Orangutans (also that of some humans, but it is less serious obviously humans are not an endangered species ...), and also in Africa or in 2016 deforestation was estimated at 1 million hectares for intensive monoculture (mainly for energy use), and when it new to diesel, we are very proud to use x% of "renewable" energy ... : Evil:

At the same time, Nutella eaters are made to feel guilty, but it is a drop in the ocean ...

Green-washing seems to be an industry of the future ... : Cry:
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by izentrop » 12/06/18, 19:29

Christophe wrote:national oils do not have the same properties and uses (except perhaps for biofuels ...?) that palm oil that is not produced under our latitude
The state had promised them opportunities and now they cut the grass under the feet by allowing total to import much more palm oil
In France, it is mainly rapeseed that is used for the manufacture of VOME. The French production units of EMAG produced about 1,6 million tonnes in 2015.
The distribution of the raw materials used to produce the VMEs released for consumption on the national territory in 2015 is as follows:

Raw materials used to produce EMHVs
Credits: DGEC
The part of the VHEHs whose raw material is of French origin amounts in 2015 to 49,9%. In total, the raw material comes from 29 countries. Nevertheless 6 countries total more than 88,1% of the supply. It is :

France, 49,9%
Indonesia, 5,1% (Palm oil)
Ukraine, 8,6% (Rapeseed, Soybeans)
Australia, 5,8% (Rapeseed, Raspberries)
Germany, 9,9% (Rapeseed, Raspberries)
Malaysia, 8,8% (Palm oil) https://www.ecologique-solidaire.gouv.fr/biocarburants
Oil palms produce 8 t per hectare (cheaper and better after total), compared to 2 for rapeseed. Farmers recovered 30% of protein that was used for breeding, additional loss.
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by chatelot16 » 12/06/18, 21:48

everyone does what he wants at home ... the american massacre some area for shale oil ... else massacre their forest for palm oil ... if it is not us who will buy it will be other and it will not change anything ... so buy it if it can help us ... it is not by refusing to buy that we will help them because they will sell other

palm oil producers slaughter their country ... it's their business

the main question is to use our soil well! if you do not grow rapeseed to make fuel oil you can grow everything you want by choosing the best crop
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by moinsdewatt » 12/06/18, 22:03

Total's palm oil is just one (cumbersome) pretext for the FNSEA

the 11 / 06 / 2018 New Factory

Analysis The FNSEA and Young Farmers block from Monday 11 June for three days renewable 14 refineries and fuel depots. A communication operation with unclear objectives.

Officially, if the FNSEA and Young Farmers call their members to block 14 refineries and fuel depots, Total but not only for three days from Monday 11 June is to denounce the contradictions of the French government that oblige to meet standards that are not subject to imported agricultural products such as Brazilian ethanol or palm oil from Malaysia or Indonesia. Products that are used to produce biofuels (which have only organic name), including biodiesel. But the government, validating a promise of the previous term, has just authorized Total to import up to 450000 tons per year of palm oil to feed its new biorefinery La Mède, in the Bouches-du-Rhone. It was this decision that motivated farmers to mount their blockage. But the revelation that one of their main members, the agribusiness group Avril, is also importing at least 100 000 tons of palm oil a year in addition to French rapeseed to produce biodiesel, has forced the FNSEA to change its speech.

"Let's not import agriculture".


The federation now recalls that, like the Avril Group, it is behind Brussels, which wants to ban palm oils in biofuels from 2021. Above all, the FNSEA extends its claims to meat imports. But the concrete demands of farmers are not clear. Interviewed by L'Usine Nouvelle, Olivier Dauger, environment manager at the FNSEA is unable to give precise expectations that would make the blocking movement of oil sites renamed #Sauverlesagri, a success and avoid a renewal of the blocking beyond the initial three days provided.

He just explains that in the context of energy transition and the fight against global warming, farmers are ready to play their role and make better use of agricultural land. "The idea is to get out of oil. There is another way to make food or fuel energy, it is photosynthesis," recalls Olivier Dauger. But according to him, the international trade agreements signed by France weaken French farmers and do not allow them to fulfill this mission. The FNSEA would like France to ban imports of agricultural products with products banned in France. And chose as a slogan "let's not import agriculture". It will be complicated to apply.

https://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/l ... ri.N704644
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by Janic » 13/06/18, 08:02

everyone does what he wants at home ... the american massacre some area for shale oil ... else massacre their forest for palm oil ... if it is not us who will buy it will be other and it will not change anything ... so buy it if it can help us ... it is not by refusing to buy that we will help them because they will sell to other palm oil producers massacre their country ... it's their business

this was true when nations were doing navel-gazing. This changed with the realization that this land was not the property of anyone in particular, but to all the living forms that inhabit it. Global warming, for the part that concerns human responsibility, impacts the entire earth and makes each of us a co-responsible for what happens, including for palm oil, shale gas, CO2 or nuclear bomb .
the main question is to use our soil well! if you do not grow rapeseed to make fuel oil you can grow everything you want by choosing the best crop

Same thing ! Our soil to us! (double repetition) is only a simple view of the mind, a utopia ... warlike, conquering, capitalistic and selfish. It's the counterpart of MY wife, MY husband, MY children, MY car, My house? MY job, my money, etc ... We are no longer citizens of a small piece of land, but citizens of the world
... it is not by refusing to buy that we will help them since they will sell to other palm oil producers slaughter their country ... it's their business.
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This is usually what predators do by taking their victims by the throat. It was not in their culture to produce this oil in such a quantity, and the "owners" are more rarely the natives, but Americans, Chinese and other economic systems who prefer that it is the others who, in the long run, ruin themselves. rather than themselves. When these countries are no longer able to produce at low cost, they will remove their marbles leaving corpses behind them indifferently.
But here too, there is complete hypocrisy! By fixing the public's attention on this production, it allows to hide, by this tree, the deforestation to cultivate other, much more important, goods destined for animal food to fill the selfish stomachs of the American, European and other haves. .

"Let's not import agriculture".
This claim would be valid if the policy of our country did not incite, precisely, the export of our productions, cereals in particular as our technologies elsewhere. : Cry:
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by Ahmed » 13/06/18, 21:39

The formulation: "everyone does what they want at home ..." is particularly clumsy, especially applied at the scale of a country; it in fact suggests that there is unanimity among the inhabitants of the countries in question, which is obviously far from the case, because it is only those who have the power of decision who direct things according to their interests, the latter do not rarely coinciding with the general interest.
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by chatelot16 » 13/06/18, 21:54

What do we do? are we going to invade the badly governed countries to force their ecology at home?

at home we have completely changed the nature for several centuries ... we eradicated wild animals that we did not like ... and how will we now impose poor countries not to do what we did at home ?

especially after colonizing to take advantage of the wealth ... now it would be necessary to colonize to make ecology ... one must not do anything to provoke the 3eme world war!

there is only one good thing to do, it is to make good material for a good exploitation of the good renewable energy and to put it at the disposal of the countries which most need it ... to make real progress !

alas the fashion is rather to keep secret what is effective ... to only let it use by those who are rich enough to pay ... and let the poorest waste and pollute ... without realizing that pollution will pollute the whole earth and that it will fall on us
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by Ahmed » 13/06/18, 22:07

I wonder how you can come to this deduction from my comments? : Lol:
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by chatelot16 » 13/06/18, 22:14

it's not from your words!

it's just my point ... there is only one thing to do is to build a good and effective solution at home and then we can eventually give lessons to the rest of the world

but at present, given the bullshit we make at home, what right can we oppose to the bullshit of others?
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