The media, once again

[the middle]

little note,
Personally, I'm not saying that journalists are incapable,
What I'm saying is that the info is centralized, and "censored"
It's simple, that I watch TV, or the net, it's always the same news, or the same videos that come out.
We are being listened to with the European Union, however, nothing appears on the real politics of European states.
For example, Poland, which lost its president in a strange plane crash, and who at the same time lost the right to demonstrate ...

[clasou]

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[Projéthée]

Definition trader: A trader is the market operator specializing in speculation. Its activity consists in buying at low prices a currency, a bond, a share or even an option which it anticipates the rise and to sell them when it anticipates their fall.
A trader works in the trading rooms of banking or stock market institutions. The activity involves the permanent use of the telephone, telex, computer and computerized information systems. The noise level in the working environment and the type of operations most often performed quickly can generate constant pressure.
The trader trades securities, in the service of a large bank or a brokerage firm.

In other words, it is a person who is responsible for making money using the work of others (the physical goods and services actually rendered). Disconnected from real life, this person spends his "working" time in a sort of "economic casino" on which thousands of jobs depend, perhaps yours. The only pressure these people know is to be and stay the best (ask your friend if you don't believe me). Does he care about the consequences of what his actions (buying / selling) may entail? On the one hand, there is little chance that he will be offered such an overview. Two, if he did the feelings of responsibility and guilt would drive him crazy. I found myself unemployed thanks to the impact of the subprime mortgage crisis, and I find it appalling that such a system endures despite the many proofs of its perversity. I don't hold a grudge, but when a criminal kills, society does what it can to incapacitate him again. "Finance" is the exception to the rule and I would just like someone to explain to me why and how. What is the relationship with information processing? Perhaps the very few links that unite the big press bosses (I am talking about those who control several newspapers and / or TV channels) and the big financiers of the planet. Do we have any idea of ​​the number of scandals that are hushed up each year "so that it doesn't hurt us"? or that you start to get seriously fed up.

[clasou]

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[Projéthée]

Clasou, the greed of some ALWAYS has a real impact at some point on the lives of others. The problem seems less in the trading system than in people's heads. One of the current challenges is: "what do we put in people's heads, why, how?". It is urgent as Edgar Morin says http://www.terraeco.net/Edgar-Morin-Nou ... omme,19890 in a recent article on "taking the time" to ask yourself this kind of question.

[clasou]

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[Obamot]

Clasou, sees nothing personal, but your answers are "all the reflection of an era", the one we are going through: the answers you give clearly show that you do not even master the subject on which you are trying to talk to each other, namely, you claim that: "Journalists should not know their subject".

... but nothing in what you say refers to the points previously raised (or in any case you take care not to go into "detail" I mean the substantive debate, of course).

And besides, to tell the truth, I even have a little trouble understanding your rhetoric: we understand for example: that your reflections are a mixture of personal experiences, of a vision of the world that is just as much , related to the subject on which you intend to debate: "the media and the competence of journalists».

It's a bit short, I can give you names from a whole range of "appointed specialists»Of the big chains, concerning the sensitive topics of our time. So humbly, I think I tell you that your contributions are still appreciable, but that in this debate you are on the wrong track. Be even more curious: explore other visions, broaden your understanding of the world and you will see "something else", I'm sure.

For my part, I intend to fully support the initiator of this thread, because there is a lot to say on the press and the media ... (Although daily in my spare time for many years, yes. ..) And besides I would once again like to come back to your little sentence, very unintentionally heavy with innuendo and full of compromise:

[...] After as said in their soul and conscience they take what he thinks is the right decision [...] well on the latter can be motivated indirectly by people who have themselves been indirectly oriented. [...]

... which is diametrically opposed to the idea that we are supposed to have a "healthy journalistic ethics", Who would like press people to be completely independent of pressure groups ... And which we would be entitled to expect from them, that they would be able to put sufficient distance from their own achievements (as much on an intellectual level, that cultural) ... but there it might be a little too much to ask for "a first reform". They are still rare birds ...

I think you see the connection with "your experience", where you had to flee customers because you felt "incompetent", imagine if in addition you had to somewhere had to lie to them ... and you would like that we believe that it is "involuntary" (?), and you would like us to admit that it would be normal "that the press is made of incompetent" (?) that it would not be their role to "know" in detail the material they are supposed to cover (?) ...

My arms fall to me ( ) but if that were true, anyone could be a journalist! [joke inside]

[clasou]

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[Projéthée]

A journalist, whoever is hired as such, must be competent. The training he has received is supposed to enable him to face situations in which he does not have all the knowledge on the subject to be dealt with and / or the pressure which may arise from a conflict of interest. But will a media more or less remote-controlled by such an influential person offer advancement to a competent and honest journalist or a broom closet? The concern is that if 20 or 30 years ago a journalist could slam the door of a daily newspaper on Monday and sign a contract with the competitor on Thursday, today's world offers far fewer openings. There are even black lists and if your name is there, you're wrong.

[Obamot]

Hello Obamot, I will try to be concise.
Good sorry if the arms fall from you, it will be more difficult to write.

amusing ...

For the rest, it's better. But you always answer with other questions.

In two words, I find that there is a chasm between Clasou who praises us the merits of the world of finance and Clasou who speaks to us about the fundamental problems!

There yes, when you talk about Viet Nam, it starts to interest me ...

But we also discover part of YOUR vision of the world (I say that respectfully). Because indeed, there were still journalists who reported the news seen from "communist clan ", and there, they should not have the same vision of this war. Besides those with the vision of "capitalist clan"Did not have the same vision at the time, that they had thereafter ... and vice-versa (if indeed we wanted to separate them into two separate camps, which in reality was far from the case ...)

Which would take us straight to the principle of journalistic ethics, which would like us to listen to the two camps and then relate the respective positions! With analysis, summary and comment ...

This is for the "classic" scheme.

Except I am against giving victims and their executioners / predators the same speaking time, even if the ethics would lead us to do so! There the journalist must take responsibility, something that society does not always push them to do! One of his other qualities would be knowing not to be manipulated. Reason why he does not have to justify his words, nor his positions (in form and in substance) even if this is reflected in his work for the observer warns ...

So here, the destiny of a good journalist is probably to be "hyperprofessional", to always be "a step ahead" on his interlocutors ... There I have no list to offer (if some have a ... In the states there is the chain ABC which did a remarkable job on 9/11 by focusing on many gray areas, with great courage, they are at the origin of the "famous" interview with Silverstein .... had to dare .... Diametrically opposite, there was FoxNews ... In France there are some titles that everyone knows ... But it is not always constant from probity ... And each country must have its own, according to this type of scheme ...)

NB: still know that my goal is not to unmask people, no need, it comes quickly enough on my own and I have something else to do. And why not continue this friendly discussion, as long as it continues on the substantive issues ...