The age of Low-Tech - Philippe Bihouix

[Obamot]

sorry for the tone but I'm already a little annoyed by Izentrop.

No but hello, guys!

Izentrop who self-quotes twice ...

[izentrop]

I base my opinion on a past TV report

That is what I thought...
There are specialists to make documentaries, it's very easy to ask the right questions by prompting the right answers and video editing, to select only the elements of testimony that go in the direction we want them. to give. It is much more sales than stupidly telling the truth.

There are specialists for that, like Marie-Monique Robin http://www.ecolopedia.fr/?p=3423
or Elise Lucet https://www.terre-net.fr/actualite-agri ... 50013.html

We make statistics say what we want.

You put in the same bag the policies which select only those which go in their direction and for many make them say what they do not say and the reference organizations, which they have an interest in keeping their rigor of the facts if they stick to it. to maintain their credibility with the experts, it is enough to consult the "fake scheking" to form a good opinion.

But hey !, I feel that I still struggled for nothing.

[Obamot]

Still in the Izentrop intention trials, and I was forced to edit my previous post, you are so twisted and since you are of a crass bad faith,

I base my opinion on a past TV report

That is what I thought...
There are specialists to make documentaries, it's very easy to ask the right questions by prompting the right answers and video editing, to select only the elements of testimony that go in the direction we want them. to give. It is much more sales than stupidly telling the truth.

BIG BIAS because not if the report is based on proven facts. You have been relentlessly basing yourself AD NAUSEAM on iniquitous mainstream sources, claiming unfounded rumors.

There are specialists for that, like Elise Lucet

It is completely disgusting to sully the reputation of one of the best investigators of the PAF. But it is true that you are a big mierfu, you did the same with Professor Raoult with great contempt for the members of the forum.

You put in the same bag the policies which select only those which go in their direction and for many make them say what they do not say and the reference organizations, which they have an interest in keeping their rigor of the facts if they stick to it. to maintain their credibility with the experts, it is enough to consult the "fake scheking" to form a good opinion.

And this is the tepu of forum who unconditionally supports all industrial compromises at any cost, who tells us that? But you're really filthy. You regained your place among the ^“Funny”SUPER POWERFUL INFECTS.

[Obamot]

I repost the message that I had just posted and which contradicts the imbecilities that Izentrop has just posted. One of his usual “tricks” to express his contempt and shoot the forum.

Bye,

Yes, some are unbearable!

We make statistics say what we want.
Is there a proven cause and effect link ???
Water quality and medical care play no role? [...]

No but hello, guys!

To answer Yves35's comments: I don't see what life expectancy can have to do with the fact that peasants commit suicide because of their debt ... *) Hello what!

And we again compare apples and oranges ... At this price, we can also say compared to France:
- “that with an average life expectancy of 70 years, the mortality statistics of the covid are to be skipped for India"
... since it is not the same as in France!

Also false as regards France as long as we have not re-established the question of deaths due to covid VS due to comorbidity “with covid” (since all patients due to covid were already sick before ... which sends us back to India, with this question: “if they were sick before there too, what were they sick of? ”

Rather, the question is, what is the real cause? Glyphosate? Hygiene? Under nutrition? Pollution of the sacred river Ganges?

If it is undernutrition, the “GM miracle” would not have achieved the expected objective either, even if improvement. But faced with such uncertainties about the causes and compromises at the commercial level, is it not completely peremptory to attribute the improvement in life expectancy ex nihilo to GMOs?

There is the big difference anyway: it would be crazy to assert that a technique which leads to “killing the grounds” could simultaneously “save humanity from famine by ruining the peasants while increasing life expectancy ”... GMOs are a nightmare, just like the other genetic manipulations, which produced the covid, and then - still by genetic manipulation, which is unheard of - to offer us a providential remedy (their injections called vaccines) which has rather tend to worsen the situation in the long term (and whose initiators are the same). In both cases they create the problem and then bring a “solution”Very expensive, which is not!

I'll stop there, there are other factors that come into play, and as you say, the stats should be taken with a grain of salt!

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*) multifactorial debt but above all due to the fact that they cannot produce their seeds themselves for the following year since the multinationals had arranged so that this was not biologically possible - there is the real shame of the “breeders” and the real scandal - they found themselves without sufficient harvests (even worse for those who wanted to return to the “traditional” mode ”Because it doesn't work, it takes several years to“ get out ”of GMOs.) It's a bit like trusting profit-hungry pharmas for pseudo-vaccinations, it's“ trusting your head in a bag".

[humus]

I base my opinion on a past TV report

That is what I thought...
There are specialists to make documentaries, it's very easy to ask the right questions by prompting the right answers and video editing, to select only the elements of testimony that go in the direction we want them. to give. It is much more sales than stupidly telling the truth.

No matter how many cases of suicides due to herbal debt in India, it is always too many.
I don't know what motivates you to deny the reality of agrarian suicides in India? it is nevertheless a fact ...
I personally met a French farmer who said he was locked into a practice from which he could not get out, for financial reasons. ( debt, we must go to the end or die, or have the means to change )
The people in my reference TV doc would have lied, we would have paid them to do the report? you're going a bit far.
On the other hand, the big phyto companies (or others), do not lie to sell? and they do not have the means (lobbies)?


I will not deny that some farmers are financially successful with phytos, in India and in France. (still happy ! )
Except that it is bad for life, it falls on us one day or another and it is simply not sustainable to base agriculture on fossils (fertilizers, pesticides, energy). So all wrong for this "conventional" or "reasoned" mode of agriculture.
Word spoofers, too! Crooks!

I do not perceive in you a global vision of the problems and therefore no idea of ​​the best practices to aim for.
Is suicide a good practice in your opinion? Oh no, you're stupid, they don't exist?

You seem to me to behave like someone completely partial, without heart, who has special interests to defend.

I even wonder why you adhere to the RCA and the living ground, considering the other positions which you defend elsewhere.
For me you have no in-depth consistency, just like ABC2019, or others.

To think in detail, on a case-by-case basis, without considering a global vision, that only leads to additional problems.
Long live capitalism!

[ABC2019]

Is suicide a good practice in your opinion? Oh no, you're stupid, they don't exist?

this way of transforming the words of your interlocutors is particularly painful. To say that they existed before, and that there is no proof that GMOs increased them, that does not mean that they do not exist, nor that it is a good practice.

As for financial constraints, all entrepreneurs and artisans have them too, and they have also often taken on debt to invest.

Again that does not mean that the farmers do not have problems, they have them and a lot. But it is also due to the intrinsic characteristics of agriculture which is very sensitive to the meteorological situation, which can either destroy crops or make them overabundant by causing prices to collapse. And it has always existed, long before GMOs.

[Obamot]

It is not painful, it is to oppose a caricature to another caricature: you are the painful one who pretends not to understand it. You are particularly vicious in omitting to say that with GMOs, farmers put their finger in a gear since they cannot produce their own seeds! It is a type of comment that can be qualified as rude, it is so big (sier). No, no and no, this gear didn't exist before in the traditional peasantry ... and this argument makes you a ^manurebrainwashed finished without any alibi.

I will not deny that some farmers are financially successful with phytos, in India and in France.

“Succeed” yes but it depends how and why, in this case it is not a virtuous circle, it is on fictitious values this time literally when someone gets richer, isn't it always on the backs of others (in this case the backs of consumers who “trust” the stores that sell them all that junk food! in any case regenerate since even with GMOs, after a while it does not give enough ... We must also let the land rest. But GMOs are also an ecological disaster with unwanted hybridizations, with resistance to chemical phytosanitary substances according to very complex biochemical, physiological or “behavioral” mechanisms, up to discharges at sea which desertify areas where algae should be able to grow, etc ...

[humus]

this way of transforming the words of your interlocutors is particularly painful.

Coming from an expert, I'm flattered
Except that Izentrop clearly supports what seems to you a "transformation" or that it is explained.

To say that they existed before, and that there is no proof that GMOs have increased them, that does not mean that they do not exist, nor that it is a good practice.

you would have read me (that too is painful ) you would have seen that GMOs have nothing to do with it.
In India, phytos alone lead to suicide. no more dragonflies, hello mosquitoes in the rice fields, hello pesticides, there are good pennies!

And it has always existed, long before GMOs.

And so what should we deduce from these inane words?
Do you have to accept the situation or change something?

We don't revolt enough

[Obamot]

These branquignols from ”funny”Have no brains, they only see the cash side of the industrial side.

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

But hey !, I feel that I still struggled for nothing.

Evolved to what? To defend GMOs, to spit on the victims of a disgusting system, to despise the dead, to defame? Evolved to ridicule you? You're throwing up.