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by gegyx » 26/04/07, 23:47

Yes, I saw that, for this series with twists.
In the end, if it didn't happen, it was the intention that counted: a desire to discuss and open up to others.
The French will remember it when they saw it face to face, the powers of money, the appropriation of the media, sufficiency, the evasion of troublesome debates, the stick policy, and the rallying of traitors who dare to allow us to talk about morality again.
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For morale, he returned on Monday evening, when Ségo took a step towards FB
I felt the wind turn, and I am confident.
I am not saying that it will be paradise, but a widening of sensitivity, refocused to please a majority. And it will be at the same time, the rejection of the schemes of false ass profiteers, and of the irreversible aggravation of the dictatorship.
We must transcend the left-right divide, and open our eyes.
It is not the heels, the excess of confidence of one, or the mechanical smile, the insecure gestures of the other that are important.
It is a choice of society which is offered to us, the irreversible depression, towards the dark forces (on the side of darkness), or a republic which is democratizing by adding a consensus of sensibilities.
There is no photo in this choice of society!
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by elephant » 27/04/07, 07:53

in fact, the debate on the debate makes almost as much noise as the debate itself: excellent publicity anyway.
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by stef5555 » 27/04/07, 07:55

elephant wrote:as I said on another subject:

what is better: a moderately capable president?

ou

a president CAPABLE OF EVERYTHING! ????? : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:


:frown: I would have said the opposite in addition to bayrou telling SG that his economic program is going to disaster I think he is not wrong

:? all I hope if she is president that she does not do 1/20 of what she promised otherwise it is a disaster for the world

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by elephant » 27/04/07, 09:13

do not panic: there are always the ministers, the press, public opinion, lobbyists, social partners, parliament, the party to compensate for all that!

On the other hand, what is certain is that the arrival of Sarko could promise us some warm winters!

The French state is already far too powerful!
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by Christophe » 27/04/07, 09:56

stef5555 wrote: :frown: I would have said the opposite in addition to bayrou telling SG that his economic program is going to disaster I think he is not wrong


And what do you think is sarko's freedom-economic-social program?

We'll discuss it again in a year if you don't mind when France, which already has one foot in the grave, will be in the throes of agonizing even more (I hope I'm wrong all the same and that sarko is France's "luck" but I have a lot of trouble believing it) ...

It is not with freedom-killing, racial laws (we are almost listening to the videos above) and the power of all-powerful lobbies that we are relaunching an economy and solving unemployment problems.... after you think what you want ...

Sarko is not a magician, it will not be able to do much against globalization, the source of many French economic difficulties, on the contrary, its liberalism risks encouraging it ...
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by ThierrySan » 27/04/07, 10:47

In any case, with both of them, I find that they go too far to the extremes ...

It is not by increasing the minimum wage to € 1500, or by increasing pensions, earnings and unemployment that we will revive employment in France.

On the other hand, it is not by reducing (or removing would be the most appropriate word) the social charges for overtime that we are going to create new positions in companies. On the other hand, it will definitely allow companies to put even more into their pockets, to the detriment of the working conditions of employees. With CERTITUDE, the people who voted for him will be very quickly disillusioned. Except, of course, the rich retirees who will quickly be able to transmit their heritage to the descendants without paying inheritance rights, by playing on owner and usufructuary ... In addition, these people will still be able to benefit from a tax shield by 50%.
In there, we see a populist sarko ?! Me, I see a man who is very right-wing and who turns his shirt over as many times as he can on other subjects, such as Europe for example and its ecological policy! He manipulates people with a force that is disgusting: "I will not lie to you.", "Me, I know that ...", "Me, I think that ...". Media manipulation: Sarko interview Wednesday on TF1 while Ségo is on 2; then the next day, re-interview with Sarko on number 2; before the first round, just out of curiosity, check the debate with F. Bayrou of the 2 and you will see the non-constructive questions which were put to him (to compare with the others). Freedom-killing laws on computers, democracy, and work: this is what hangs on our backs. And we are only at the beginning, we will see later ...

In any case, I am not satisfied with the program of either candidate. And I frankly believe that in both cases, we are heading towards an upsurge in demonstrations ...
For my part, I am still stuck between white and Ségolène, even if I should be satisfied that Ségo is increasing my RMI. This is not what I want! I want a BOULOT!

I will say like you, since the beginning of the week, I do not know why, but I do not feel in a good mood ... even a little desperate for the future that awaits us: work with overtime required paid at the same hourly rate! In recent years, my overtime had never been paid ... at least I was "free" to choose ...
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by stef5555 » 27/04/07, 13:50

Christophe wrote:
stef5555 wrote: :frown: I would have said the opposite in addition to bayrou telling SG that his economic program is going to disaster I think he is not wrong


And what do you think is sarko's freedom-economic-social program?

We'll discuss it again in a year if you don't mind when France, which already has one foot in the grave, will be in the throes of agonizing even more (I hope I'm wrong all the same and that sarko is France's "luck" but I have a lot of trouble believing it) ...

It is not with freedom-killing, racial laws (we are almost listening to the videos above) and the power of all-powerful lobbies that we are relaunching an economy and solving unemployment problems.... after you think what you want ...

Sarko is not a magician, it will not be able to do much against globalization, the source of many French economic difficulties, on the contrary, its liberalism risks encouraging it ...


: Cheesy: as Coluche would say I am neither for nor against on the contrary and also the politicians c is 5 years of law and everything else wrong
: Cheesy: I think he was right about it

Not wanting to debate empty-handed for this or that party at the risk of aggravating the rather heated debates on this kind of discussions, both are not better :|



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by elephant » 27/04/07, 15:48

Christopher said:

It is not with freedom-killing, racial laws (we are almost listening to the videos above) and the power of all-powerful lobbies that we revive an economy and that we solve unemployment problems ... after you think what you want...


and why not? There is a guy who did it really well between 1936 and
1940 in Germany, you know, the one that looks like Charlie Chaplin in "The Dictator"
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by gegyx » 27/04/07, 15:51

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Mr. Bayrou is "certain" that Mr. Sarkozy exerted pressure to cancel the debate on Canal +

When I held a press conference on Wednesday, I spoke on behalf of Nicolas Sarkozy of intimidation and threat. This is exactly where we are ", said François Bayrou, Friday April 27 on RTL, implying that the candidate of the UMP would have used his influence to cancel the debate in which the president of the UDF was to participate with Ségolène Royal on Canal + on Saturday.

"I do not have the proof but I am certain of it", replied Mr. Bayrou, questioned whether he thought that Canal + had given up organizing such a debate "at the request of Nicolas Sarkozy". The channel had first expressed the intention, before going back Thursday, invoking the legal obligations in terms of speaking time of presidential candidates.
"DIRECT INTERVENTIONS WITH EDITORIALS"
The centrist candidate, who won 18,57% of the vote on April 22, denounced Nicolas Sarkozy's "propensity" to "lock in" information, but assured that this debate between the socialist candidate and himself will take place. "Through a whole series of networks, which bring together very large financial and media powers around Nicolas Sarkozy, direct interventions are made with the editorial staff, with the channels so that the information is locked", he said, stating "numerous testimonies". "We are choosing the path of an immense regression which calls into question the basic right of the French to be informed. Consider that Nicolas Sarkozy is not yet elected. What will happen if he is elected ?" he continued. For its part, the campaign team of Ségolène Royal also does not want to abandon the idea of ​​the debate, said, Friday, Jack Lang. "We will find another channel. We are not giving up," said the candidate's special advisor on France 2. Saying to be based "on precise information" in his possession, also affirmed that "Nicolas Sarkozy's team has sabotaged the organization and preparation of this debate ". "A speaking time was offered to Nicolas Sarkozy, either tomorrow [Saturday] or Sunday," added Jack Lang, judging and deploring that "Canal + did not have to submit to this intimidation operation" . Vincent Peillon, spokesperson for Ségolène Royal, denounced on France Info the pressure of Nicolas Sarkozy's entourage on regional dailies to prevent the debate. The daily Liberation said it was "ready to organize the debate", "both in the daily and on its website", specifying that it was "not subject to the rules (of equality) of the Superior council of audio-visual".
At the UMP, François Fillon denounced "a media stunt mounted by François Bayrou", who is a "sore loser". "For five days since the first round has passed, we have not been able to initiate the debate between the two finalists of the second round," lamented Nicolas Sarkozy's adviser, on RMC and BFM-TV. Who also accused Ségolène Royal, in an interview with 20 Minutes, of "multiplying the caricatures and the lies". Jean-François Copé, government spokesperson, said he was "scandalized by the vile and unworthy allegations of a political leader who wants to be democratic and respectful of the choice of the French". And to estimate that "it is high time to denounce this imposture of the pseudo-centrist speech of Mr. Bayrou which is only one charge in order against Nicolas Sarkozy".

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What happiness!
If these events do not convince the faithful (religious) of Sarkösy, of a mafia system in France, they will certainly shake it and make a certain number of its supporters doubt.
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These events are made to show the general public and openly, what has been known and said on the Internet for a very long time.
If the French do not understand the looming dictatorship, they will only experience what they deserve.
Personally, it bothers me a lot, because not having lived through tumultuous events, in my fifties, I would have hoped for relative peace of mind for the rest of my life.
Otherwise, it will be resistance, everyday work, to counter this dictatorial and imbecile power.
So much energy, and life wasted in these future battles for survival, but nevertheless, which would be useless, if we move towards a vote for the right choice.
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by Christophe » 27/04/07, 16:02

elephant wrote:Christopher said:

It is not with freedom-killing, racial laws (we are almost listening to the videos above) and the power of all-powerful lobbies that we revive an economy and that we solve unemployment problems ... after you think what you want...


and why not? There is a guy who did it really well between 1936 and
1940 in Germany, you know, the one that looks like Charlie Chaplin in "The Dictator"


It's true I was wrong, Hilter largely revived the economy of Germany after 1929... and contributed to the deaths (among others) of 50 humans in the following 000 years ...
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