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Re: "Notre-Dame-des-Landes", or the great ecological silence




by sen-no-sen » 24/02/18, 13:10

Janic wrote:except to maintain a constant herd of cops on the spot, and again, ZADistes eventually come back inevitably.


It is not possible to compare the situation of our Lady of the moors with that of Bure.
The airport of our lady of the moors was an economic ineptitude stemming from the backward thinking of old politicians.
It was a project carried by the Socialist Party (all the last mayors of Nantes are socialists) based on the belief that such a project would bring the return of growth ... and other bullshit.
The expertise led by the account market, by the aerospace sector, and the business sector and ecological industrial printing process were clear: such a project had a negative risk benefit cost, and E.Macron only followed his recommendations ...

Zsadist is only a media name, in fact the first opponents of the project were local farmers worried by the nuisance of the eventual airport which was added to the ultra left activists particularly active in the Nantes area.
What must be emphasized is that the strong presence of its far-left circles is consubstantial with the presence of the Socialist Party in the department ... party whose most eminent of its members was actor of the project! : Lol:

The case of Bure is completely different, it is a project that will lead in any case for the simple reason that there is no serious way to treat waste HA et MAVL and those regardless of any political ideologies.
The forms of contesting the project are therefore only desperate attempts based on simple oppositions of principles, not on alternatives.
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by Janic » 24/02/18, 16:11

The case of Bure is totally different, it is a project that will lead in any case for the simple reason that there is no serious way to treat waste HA and MLVL and those regardless of any political ideologies.
The forms of contesting the project are therefore only desperate attempts based on simple oppositions of principles, not on alternatives.
It is sure that there are no other alternatives since they have not been sought. This is also the discourse that was held for the establishment of the NC: "there are no other alternatives!" for national security, then "there are no other alternatives" to the oil shock, etc ... There are always pretexts for self-justification! Germany may have made a choice too quickly, but it is also to mark the occasion after Fukushima! If that doesn't solve the carbon pollution problems, it at least solves the future radioactive waste!
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by sen-no-sen » 24/02/18, 17:49

Janic wrote: It is sure that there are no other alternatives since they have not been sought.


Radioactive waste is consubstantial to nuclear power plants.
All types of energy exploitation, whatever its nature, leads to a production of entropy that must be evacuated ...
There is no clean energy and no sustainable growth.
Rather than criticize this or that mode of production, it is rather our relationship to energy that needs to be revised.

then "there are no other alternatives" to the oil shock


There can be no alternative to the oil crisis in a world that relies on it ...

Germany may have made a choice too fast, but it is also to mark the blow after Fukushima! If that does not solve the problems of carbon pollution, it will at least regulate the future of radioactive waste!


Less nuclear waste, but more polluting air emissions. White cap.
Renewable energies are not left out, their impacts are however more subtle:

The Aswan dam and its consequences: advantages and disadvantages

The benefits are numerous: 2,1 million KW / year, floods curbed, drought canceled, improved navigation, increased cultivated areas, three harvests instead of one ...

The negative consequences are even more numerous. Here are some of them in the mess:

The displacement of 500.000 Nubians.
The weakening of the banks of the river until more than 100 km downstream.
The absence of fertilizing silt was the main input for the delta, which has since declined significantly.
The correlative disappearance of sardines.
The loss by colossal evaporation (10 billion m3 / year).
The use of chemical fertilizers to compensate for lost intakes of silt.
The agricultural pollution that follows.
Industrial pollution because many industries have settled on the river.
The disappearance of fallow land, so overexploitation of the soil.
The lack of drainage of salt that was washed away by the flood.
The significant population growth due to this false security of water supply.
The rise of the water table which engulfs the soil and threatens agglomerations and monuments.
The thundering development of endemic schistosomiasis.
New varieties of fish and plankton whose long-term effects on the environment are unknown ...

Nobody has yet considered the cost of cleaning the dam that fills the river silts that are no longer distributed during the flood and the capacity of the dam decreases every year ...

https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete/dossiers/developpement-durable-geopolitique-guerre-eau-622/page/4/
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Re: "Notre-Dame-des-Landes", or the great ecological silence




by Ahmed » 24/02/18, 19:04

In China, the "three gorges" dams on the Yang Tsé Kiang (or Yangsi Jiang) also have many and considerable drawbacks and the problem of siltation, perhaps the least apparent and urgent, is far from being resolved... : roll:
On the other hand, the electric "windfall" has aroused such enthusiasm that it is far from corresponding to the initial ambitions, because the impression of unlimited has resulted in great waste. Another downstream dam is planned to increase production: it is a kind of gear ...
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by sen-no-sen » 14/04/18, 21:02

Notre-Dame-des-Landes: clashes during the demonstration in Nantes, 4 interpellations

Notre-Dame-des-Landes: clashes during the demonstration in Nantes, 4 interpellations

While the eviction operations are currently over, a demonstration of support for zadistes takes place this Saturday in Nantes. With some tension, projectile jets led the CRS to fight back with water cannons and tear gas.


https://www.lci.fr/societe/en-direct-notre-dame-des-landes-manifestation-a-nantes-affrontements-avec-la-police-crs-les-dernieres-informations-2084001.html
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by sen-no-sen » 16/04/18, 13:12

Notre-Dame-des-Landes: April 23 ultimatum, new "infernal countdown"

Evicted persons may claim to settle on other lands. But what will happen if some do not seize this opportunity?


A new piece in the machine and the wrestling continues. The state now requires the zadistes of Notre-Dame-des-Landes to complete a simplified form to declare their project of activities in the area individually. A small step towards the legality which requires to decline a name, a note of intention for their future activity and the parcels necessary for their project.

Emmanuel Macron recalled, Sunday 15 April, the "republican framework" and "the order" which will be restored because "the Republic needs order". The deadline for April 23 is set to accomplish this step, "primer essential to the process of regularization", according to the prefect of Loire-Atlantique, Nicole Klein.

People evicted during the past week may claim to settle on other lands. What will happen if the zadists do not grasp this outstretched hand? "I do not even want to consider it," says Klein, who recalls: "We can have an individual project and get together. This has always been done in agriculture. But there is no cooperation without an individual declaration, it does not exist. "
Denunciation of an "ultimatum"

Dominique Fresneau, co-president of Acipa, the main association that fought against the former airport project, calls the state "for dialogue and appeasement", and refuses the new "infernal countdown imposed. I have never worked with a gun on the temple, we never asked a farmer to set up a project in six or two months, it takes time. "

Sarah, 29, denounces this "ultimatum. It is not possible to lay an agricultural project during a military seat like this. And then we, inhabitants of [the farm of] "100 names", declare what parcel? The police forces fired us, they destroyed everything. She insists on the need to negotiate: "We do not want to do something bogus, we want to be true, not to hide. We will try to find a way to regulate, but it is also necessary that the authorities do with who we are. "

Another comrade, installed since 2012, blows: "The State puts us the knife under the throat, with its form of regulation to deposit before the 23 April. After the week we lived, the demolished habitats, we must hear that we need time. We need time to digest the intervention, to ask and to talk to each other. "

http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2018/04/16/notre-dame-des-landes-l-ultimatum-du-23-avril-nouveau-compte-a-rebours-infernal_5285975_3244.html

THE question that is killing now:Our Lady of the moors, fight for the protection of the nature or diverted way to express a conflict against the authority?

As long as the project is abandoned, and it is now possible through a request for a form of power to occupy land for the purpose of developing an agricultural activity, why is there such a debauch of violence?
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