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by izentrop » 09/09/18, 15:22

Ahmed wrote:Therefore, adaptation of plants (at least those deemed "useful"!) Would be insufficient, especially since allowing the part of the population which is the most worthy to survive. :D to be exonerated from remedying the causes of CC ...
CC?
It is illusory to believe that our crops will adapt to a rapidly changing climate. All research organizations are on the warpath to find solutions for the future
> Outlook:
Better knowledge of genetic control of adaptation traits will help to build
more robust and productive varieties.
"Breakthrough" technologies, such as the adaptation of entirely new plants to culture, are
design.
By more accurately modeling the effects of climate change on crops, it will be possible to
to propose plant improvement strategies. It is also necessary to adapt the support systems to
decision to new issues.
The new CGRAI Challenge program, Climate Change, Agriculture and Food Security (CCAFS), is one of
emerging networks in which CIRAD is committed. https://agritrop.cirad.fr/554234/1/document_554234.pdf
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by Did67 » 09/09/18, 20:34

If you did research in the archives of research institutes (INRA, CIRAD) you would find the enthusiastic speeches on the "green revolution" of the 70s (I recall that what was presented as the "green revolution" was a cocktail of techniques crops - tillage -, plant breeding - conventional, especially hybrids -, use of fertilizers and pesticides).

The FAO announced then nothing less than the end of hunger in the world!

Faced with this enthusiasm, I then, at the age of 15, decided to become a "hunger agronomist". We are in 1968.

We have seen what it has given.

And what I became !!!!!

Today's speech (sung to drain public finances) has not changed one iota. The techniques envisaged are different. They are called agroecology, GMO sometimes, "organic" something often ...

Without attacking you, I do not understand how we can still believe such nonsense.
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by Ahmed » 09/09/18, 22:17

It is certainly a consideration that weighs heavily in the balance vis-à-vis the CC: since some will be more affected and earlier affected than others, it will change the relative competitiveness of the various countries. Therefore, a hypothetical advance in agriculture would be likely to maintain the causes of CC, since it would favor the most advanced countries. Short-sighted politics, of course, since an increase in inequality is a source of conflict.
One can see in these professions of faith, also and more prosaically, a form of denial of reality ...

From another point of view, the emerging countries are the least disposed to take “carbon-free” measures, since their industrialization is based mainly on fossil fuels and they do not care about the hypocritical moral lessons of the West. Let us remember in this regard that if we add China and India, it still concerns a third of humanity ... : roll:
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by izentrop » 10/09/18, 22:56

Last Tuesday, the 3 number of the French government was in tears. No, not the larmichette of departure. Nicolas Hulot, now the former minister of ecological and solidarity transition, was shattered, overwhelmed by sadness, his voice strangled by disappointment. It took him several seconds and a little human warmth to resume his speech of handover. Tears, it runs daily on the cheeks of environmentalists: rage, frustration, sadness, fatigue, inaction when we have the fire to the kits.

Black chalkboard? Remember that 26 years ago, 1.700 researchers, including 100 Nobel Prize winners, sent a first "Warning from scientists to humanity". In 2017, for the second warning, they were over 15.000. The media treatment lasted 24 hours, when Radja Nainggolan's non-selection for the FIFA World Cup made noise for days. "The signals are not orange, they are all flashing red, underlines Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, international expert in climatology. We listen too little to the scientists who work on these questions. lookouts at the top of the mast that warn of what others cannot see. We've been screaming since 40 years and the boat is still going in the same direction." https://www.lecho.be/economie-politique ... 47444.html
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by Remundo » 10/09/18, 23:08

Did67 wrote:If you did research in the archives of research institutes (INRA, CIRAD) you would find the enthusiastic speeches on the "green revolution" of the 70s (I recall that what was presented as the "green revolution" was a cocktail of techniques crops - tillage -, plant breeding - conventional, especially hybrids -, use of fertilizers and pesticides).

The FAO announced then nothing less than the end of hunger in the world!

I am currently wondering if we are not hungry for the end of the world.

play of words to meditate. : Idea:
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by izentrop » 10/09/18, 23:34

Did67 wrote:Today's speech (sung to drain public finances) has not changed one iota. The techniques envisaged are different. They are called agroecology, GMO sometimes, "organic" something often ...
Without attacking you, I do not understand how we can still believe such nonsense.
In France we challenge everything and we prevent progress, while in other countries, even Europeans, they produce more and more, with a growing quality and less land ... Look for the error.

Sorry if I leave the subject.
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by chatelot16 » 11/09/18, 00:12

in temperate countries like at home there is no need to invent new plants ... just sow the plants adapted to warmer countries

it is the countries already very hot which will be in difficulty ... it is there that one would need to invent new plants faster than the natural evolution will find some

reducing the production of CO2 would have been a solution if we had done it rather ... now it's too late ... when we shit in his pants it's too late to tighten the buttocks ... for the CO2 the badly is done

that does not mean that we should not reduce the production of CO2, but no illusion it will not overheat the warming already in progress, it will only limit it

the CO2 limitation project should not be allowed to reflect on the best solution to supersede the ongoing warming up.
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by izentrop » 11/09/18, 00:46

chatelot16 wrote:in temperate countries like at home there is no need to invent new plants ... just sow the plants adapted to warmer countries
If it was so simple ...
Matthieu Killmayer, regional engineer Arvalis-Institut du végétal, emphasizes two phenomena: the progression of the Mediterranean climate towards the north and the west of France and the upheavals observed in the monthly distribution of precipitation over the whole Hexagon. "From November to January, the weather is rather rainier while the months of February, May, June and September are drier. For field crops, it is ultimately when water is needed that there is none and when it is needed sparingly, just after sowing, it rains heavily! He says.

Behind these general trends in climate change, the engineer also insists on two other types of constraints. The interannual variations first, in terms of temperatures and precipitation, which confuse and push to change strategy from one year to another. The increase in extreme weather events then, which are as unpredictable as they are devastating.

... one of the big challenges for agronomists is genetic. "The goal is to improve stress tolerances, be it hydromorphic, hydric or thermal," says Matthieu Killmayer. How? 'Or' What ? By selecting. For durum wheat for example, rather than turning to varieties with high potential in optimal conditions, or those that are the most resistant to water stress, "we will seek flexibility," says the engineer. Understand: varieties that are able to adapt to and cope with the general trend as well as inter-annual variations. "The goal today is to be able to identify the genes that code for traits that interest us and then select the appropriate varieties more quickly," he adds.

Researchers are also trying to select varieties that are more resistant to disease because, as Killmayer recalls, "climate change is also an epidemiological change. This is evidenced by fears for wheat from rising black rust in southern Europe.
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by chatelot16 » 11/09/18, 09:30

there are some who build photovoltaic fields: I find it very sad! it sterilizes large areas of soil

it would be much more intelligent to build photovoltaic strips in the fields with cultures between photovoltaic: by making the photovoltaic lightly mobile it can protect the crops of certain intemperie

instead of sterilizing the surface it optimizes what is grown

where it is the lack of water which limits the production, interposing photovoltaics with recovery and storage of the water makes it possible to optimize the production of the cultures ... it also makes it possible to put the cultures in the shade when it there is really too much sun and the excess sun is rather a waste of water than plant growth
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by izentrop » 11/09/18, 09:48

chatelot16 wrote:it would be much more intelligent to build photovoltaic strips in the fields with cultures between photovoltaic: by making the photovoltaic lightly mobile it can protect the crops of certain intemperie
It's complicated. It has more place on concrete surfaces, but as the price of agricultural land is lower, the preference is for the worst solution for the climate. Everything is done to accelerate our speed towards the wall.
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