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The lack of growth.




by sen-no-sen » 20/08/14, 23:07

Following my exchanges with some ideas and to back up my claims about the inevitable decline we have to defend as a guiding policy, an article by the environmentalist Georges Monbiot entitled "the impossibility of growth":
in english here:

http://www.monbiot.com/2014/05/27/the-impossibility-of-growth/

translation there:

http://babordages.fr/limpossibilite-de-la-croissance-par-georgemonbiot/

This excerpt is very relevant:

(...) As the philosopher Michael Rowan points out, the inevitable consequences of compound growth mean that by projecting 2014's global growth rate forecast (3,1%), even if we managed to reduce our consumption of raw materials 90%we would not push the inevitable than 75 years. Efficiency does not solve anything as long as growth continues. (...)


We could not be clearer ...
He's totally crazy to think that we can envisage a "simple" zero growth in "softness" and when that will sing the (illusory) economic powers ...
Only a sharp decline in our lifestyles based on a forward-thinking policy will allow us to survive, otherwise it is a violent recession (with social unrest that goes with) that we will suffer ... soon .. .


The impossibility of growth, by @georgemonbiot

It's simple. If we do not manage to change the economic system, we are screwed.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 28 May 2014

Ticket politely borrowed and graciously translated from English by @sknob

Imagine that in 3030 BC, the total wealth of the people of Egypt was in one cubic meter. And imagine that these riches have increased by 4,5% per year. What would be the size of the jackpot arrived at the Battle of Actium in 30 BC. J.-C? Here is the calculation made by the banker of business Jeremy Grantham.

Go ahead, guess. Ten times the size of the pyramids? All the sand of the Sahara? The Atlantic Ocean ? The volume of the planet? A bit more ? It is 2,5 billion billion solar systems. This result must not be contemplated for a long time to reach the paradoxical conclusion that our salvation depends on our collapse.

To succeed is the assurance of our destruction. To fail is the assurance of our destruction. Here is the trap that we have stretched ourselves. Ignore if it sings to you climate change, the collapse of biodiversity, the depletion of water, soils, minerals, oil; even if these problems vanished with a magic wand, the arithmetic of compound growth proves that it is impossible to continue like this.

Economic growth is an offshoot of the exploitation of fossil fuels. Before large quantities of coal were extracted, each peak in industrial production was offset by a drop in agricultural production, as industry demand for charcoal or horsepower reduced available cropland. . Each of these old industrial revolutions collapsed because their growth was unsustainable. But coal has broken this cycle by allowing - for a few hundred years - the phenomenon that we call today sustained growth.

It is neither capitalism nor communism that has made possible progress and pathologies (world wars, unprecedented concentration of wealth, destruction of the planet) of the modern era. It's coal, followed by oil and gas. The meta-trend, the main narrative, is carbon-doped expansion. Our ideologies are only secondary vicissitudes. But now that the most accessible reserves are exhausted, we must ravage the farthest corners of the planet to preserve our unsustainable proposition.

Last Friday, a few days after scientists announced that the collapse of the Western Antarctic Ice Cap was now unavoidable, the Government of Ecuador gave the green light to oil drilling in the National Park. Yasuni. He had made a proposal to the other governments: if they contributed half the value of the deposit in this part of the park, it would be left underground. It can be seen as blackmail, or as fair trade. Ecuador is a poor country, rich in oil deposits: why leave them unexploited without compensation, argued his government, while everyone digs to the first circle of hell? He asked for $ 3,6 billion, and he got $ 13 million. As a result, Petroamazonas, a company with a history of destruction and oil spills, will be able to penetrate one of the most biodiverse areas of the planet, where, according to some, every hectare of virgin forest contains more species than all of North America.

The British oil company Soco hopes to penetrate the oldest national park in Africa, Virunga, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo; one of the last bastions of the mountain gorilla and okapi, chimpanzees and forest elephants. In England, where 4,4 billion barrels of potential shale gas have just been identified in the south-east, the government is dreaming of turning the wooded suburbs into a new delta of Niger. To achieve this, it modifies the law governing the violation of property to allow drilling without prior consent, and it grease generously the paw of the residents. These new reserves do not settle anything. They do not reduce our appetite for these resources, they exacerbate it.

The trajectory of the growth rate indicates that the rampage of the planet is just beginning. With the expansion of the global economy, every spot that houses concentrated, unusual or valuable elements will be flushed out and exploited, its resources extracted and dispersed, reducing the wonders of the world so diverse and varied into a uniformly gray carpet of rubble.

Some try to solve this impossible equation by invoking the myth of dematerialization: the assertion that the optimization of processes and the miniaturization of gadgets would in total, we use less materials. There is no indication that this is the case. Iron ore production increased by 180% in ten years. The professional organization Forest Industries tells us that "global paper consumption has reached a record level and will continue to grow." If we do not succeed in reducing our paper consumption in the digital age, what hope is there for other commodities?

Observe the lifestyle of the super-rich, who give the world consumption. Are their yachts shrinking? Their homes? Their works of art? Their purchases of precious wood, fish or rare stones? Those who can afford it are buying bigger and bigger houses to store increasing amounts of possessions they will never have the opportunity to enjoy before they die. Imperceptibly, a growing proportion of the Earth's surface is used to extract, manufacture and store things we do not need. It may not be surprising that the dreams of colonizing space - which would allow us to export our problems instead of solving them - are resurfacing.

As the philosopher Michael Rowan points out, the inevitable consequences of compound growth mean that by projecting 2014's global growth rate forecast (3,1%), even if we manage to reduce our 90% raw material consumption, we we would push back the inevitable only by 75 years. Efficiency does not solve anything as long as growth continues.

The unavoidable failure of a society built on the growth and destruction of living organisms on Earth is the overwhelming foundation of our existence. Therefore, they are mentioned almost nowhere. They are the big taboo of the twenty-first century, the subjects that never cease to annoy your friends and your neighbors. We live as if we were prisoners of the Sunday supplement of our newspapers: obsessed with celebrity, fashion and the three painful pillars of the middle class conversations: recipes, decorations and resorts. All but the subject that requires our attention.

The shattering of open doors, the result of elementary calculations are treated as so many distractions as esoteric as displaced, while the unsustainable proposition that governs our lives seems so rational, normal and banal to us that it is not even worthy to be mentioned. This is precisely what we measure the seriousness of the problem: our inability to even discuss it.
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by Ahmed » 21/08/14, 13:41

The physical impossibility of growth is opposed by the ideological impossibility of renouncing it.
Growth is consubstantial with capitalism and the financial subterfuges implemented today are intended to push the contradiction a little further.
Accumulating future profits that are never realizable (since recourse to the future results precisely from the current impossibility) is to build a pyramid of Ponzy, a flight forward without a way out.
The mass of capital is such that there is no longer sufficient opportunities for it to find a profit: money taken in the future leads to a constant increase in this recourse, which leaves little doubt on the deadline ...
Indeed, contrary to what is often heard, it is necessary for these fictitious assets to rely, at least partially, on real assets, for the simple reason that it is the only way to maintain the sole source of their power: the belief of the financial operators.
There will inevitably be a stage at which the difference between colossal amounts and reality, much more modest, will dispel this mirage.
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by sen-no-sen » 21/08/14, 16:15

Ahmed wrote:The physical impossibility of growth is opposed by the ideological impossibility of renouncing it.
Growth is consubstantial with capitalism and the financial subterfuges implemented today are destined to push back the contradiction a little further.


Growth is consubstantial with everything in the universe (fauna, flora, idea, enterprise, nation, galaxy).
And this is of course as true for capitalism as communism, which are only the opposite sides of the same coin (economic exponentialism).
Capitalism has survived communism through its many updates, (the latest being sustainable development) being more adaptable it has survived ...

The immense drama is that, in contrast to other ideologies, "the system" (a more encompassing term than capitalism) in developing the means to transform the world in its image without competing external forces being able to prevent it.
From now on, the only limit to the system is the agents that animate it (humans), except its last are now threatened by the continued development of this one ...
In response, the "system" therefore has as only means the replacement of the most fragile components (us) so that they can make the whole work towards ever more development (GMOs, transhumanism, AI).
Many will say that this is science fiction without understanding that the process has been going on for a long time.
Current doctrine now tends to orient growth towards new "miraculous" sectors that can revive growth, again and again.

That's what notes Alain Madelin on the subject:

"We are at the foot of a Himalayas scientific and technical progress (nanotechnologies, biological and genetic, new energies…) And we only progressed a few meters. Growth is the invention of new products, new services, new jobs, new ways of manufacturing or selling in new markets. And the competitiveness of a country is both the competitiveness of its companies and that of its state. "
http://www.alainmadelin.fr/blog/analyses/laissez-nous-faire/#more-913

This statement is typical of "Luciferian way" take the politicians around the world.
And actually it can work, but we will be gradually evacuated from the equation ...
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by Ahmed » 21/08/14, 16:47

Growth is inherent in every biological being, up to its point of equilibrium; what is truly consubstantial is the fact of "persevering in one's being", as said Spinoza.
My appetite pushes me to eat until I am full, which guarantees my survival, which would counteract unlimited ingestion.
It is this observation which makes it possible to hope for the possibility of this voluntary moderation that you call for your vows.

In the article you quote, the author writes that ideology is only the consequence of energetic abundance: on the contrary, in my opinion, the latter is, truly the means, of the first. (There is obviously a retroactive effect that encourages confusion).

I use the word "capitalism" in a fairly neutral way, it encompasses its two facets, liberal and "real socialism". The latter being a catch-up capitalism which effectively collapsed to a certain level where its effectiveness was now less than its liberal counterpart.

The new sectors that you quote at the end of your message represent the only hope of the enormous mass of capital that can not find any more investment, as in the past, in potentially highly expansive sectors (automobile ...), but as the productivity resulting from the fourth industrial revolution has driven men out of production for a long time, this expansion, if it finds an outlet one day, will no longer meet a market, the fault of solvent buyers ...
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by sen-no-sen » 21/08/14, 19:03

Ahmed wrote:Growth is inherent in every biological being, up to its point of equilibrium; what is truly consubstantial is the fact of "persevering in one's being", as Spinoza said.


To be precise, growth is inherent to any complex self-organized system, which goes beyond the living.
Note hybrid states such as nations or large companies mix of living and non-living, which joins the notion of superorganism.


In the article you quote, the author writes that ideology is only the consequence of energetic abundance: on the contrary, in my opinion, the latter is, truly the means, of the first. (There is obviously a retroactive effect that encourages confusion).


Indeed, the notion of growth appears very much before the massive exploitation of coal.
Moreover, it joins what has been said about the pyramids or the cathedrals which, by their ever-increasing sizes, have proved that this exponential logic is part of the human and of nature.
However, unlike animals that are part of an ecosystem in balance, the high level of abstraction reached by human thought has allowed us to go beyond the boundaries of nature.
This disconnect is typically embodied by postmodernism, endowed with its thinkers and architects (brutalism).

The new sectors that you quote at the end of your message represent the only hope of the enormous mass of capital that can not find any more investment, as in the past, in potentially highly expansive sectors (automobile ...), but as the productivity resulting from the fourth industrial revolution drove men out of production for a long time, this expansion, if it one day finds an outlet, will meet no more market, faults of solvent buyers ...


Yes, but in this case, the market will no longer be necessary, it will then be a question of "mechanosystem", ie a system replacing the current ecosystems; the previous markets being only simple steps of the evolutionary technological search engine. scientist.

A quote from Ramez Naam pull out "The Infinite Resource: The Power of Ideas on a Finite Planet, :

(...) "At the same time, Artificial Intelligence (AI) will be led to simulate with more and more precision the way in which, spontaneously or in a deliberate way, are set up in the large networks characterizing digital societies, decision centers similar to those existing within human cortices or social groups. We have recently mentioned “high frequency trading” which leads financial interests to delegate the management of their interests to increasingly algorithms. This will only develop, in a growing number of areas, so-called security surveillance or health, for example.

Finally, at the same time, robotics will produce animals and artificial humans,They have much more efficient bodies than biological bodies and are able to use all the cognitive systems studied by AI. These robots will be more and more autonomous, that is to say able to make decisions alone. They will do it individually or in groups or swarms. Such robots are already essential to explore environments inaccessible to humans, or dangerous. There will be no serious space conquest without them.
An "augmented man" is a man endowed, temporarily or permanently, with all the help given by these various techniques. The military are obviously interested in them first and foremostbut also the therapists. Soon, the general public itself will want to benefit from these advantages, if the cost becomes affordable.

The result is that, according to the most conservative forecasts, a real artificial brain with the intellectual capacities of the human brain should emerge in the next 20 to 30 years. It will obviously be connected to artificial humans produced by robotics and endowed with the intelligence capacities provided by networked AI. "(...)


http://philoscience.over-blog.com/article-relancer-la-recherche-scientifique-117407120.html

Here is where the ideology of Mr Madelin or Mrs. Fioraso.
Growth can no longer grow in a material way, it has to progress conceptually by reinventing social relationships ... and our environment!
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by Ahmed » 21/08/14, 19:29

Yes, I understand your argument and I agree, which is problematic (from a conceptual point of view) is the transition from capitalism to robotics.
For the moment the old patterns of operation are not invalidated, but show obvious signs of exhaustion: 20 to 30 years may take long in the event of this announced mutation ...
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by sen-no-sen » 21/08/14, 23:13

Ahmed wrote:
For the moment the old patterns of operation are not invalidated, but show obvious signs of exhaustion: 20 to 30 years may take long in the event of this announced mutation ...


While 20 or 30 years it is long, but it is unfortunately conceivable to conceive a dystopian society or social gaps would be gigantic ...
Several possible scenarios are presented to us:
1) -A society where the differences between very rich and very poor are increasing, with economic apartheid and ultra-social and economic violence, such a model is present in many parts of the world especially in Latin America, scenario little likely (but possible!) in France given our culture of equality.

2) -The return to a strong nation embodied by romantic anti-capitalist forces of the proto-fascist or fascist type.
The rise of the National Front is clearly in line, and it is clearly a stalemate ...
Historically fascism is only a retraction of the system tending to allow a rebound ("big bounce") of it to restart the machine stronger after the collapse of its government (fascism never works for long.) ( scenario in progress?)

- A hybrid scenario between the two points above: the romantic anti-capitalist take power, stand out from the speculative financial system, reindustrialise France, employment restarts and an illusion of growth with ...
A security state is put in place to stop mass immigration from poor countries ...
Violent clashes erupt within the nation between the fascists and the liberals, coups driven from the outside installs a political instability, the gaps between the classes are perpetuated etc ... etc ... (probable scenario) .

- More subtle this time: the system establishes a RU (universal income), a large part of "discontented" are bought into their silence and can enjoy access to consumption - limited certainly - (for lack of jobs ) but sufficient to prevent the social explosion ...
Companies find their accounts through flexibility of employment (this is the undisclosed purpose of the UK ...).
No more permanent contracts, just "contracts", but whatever, the UK is there to "complement" ....social gaps become huge but quite tolerated, with even a "return to the sources" of part of the population ...
With such a scenario, we can hold out long enough to see little by little man replace the machine with the utopia that the machine will work for us ... in the "best of all possible worlds" ... ( scenario more than probable and more and more defended by the ultra-liberals).

If you see others do not hesitate! 8)
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by Ahmed » 22/08/14, 19:57

Yes, these are all good scenarios, at least if we admit a gradual shift.
On the other hand, in case of a brutal collapse, an occurrence that seems most likely to me, I do not see the possibility of the pursuit towards robotics ...
That is, the distribution of power relations, now based on abstract value, should be hypostatized (I like the word! 8)) in a new form and within a new ideology justifying it.
It is true that these new concepts could, conceptually speaking, easily be installed in the abyssal intellectual void of current critics clinging to a pastist vision of history ...
It is more of a practical point of view that I perceive badly the possibility of the continuation of this tendency whose germs are very visible for which consents to open the eyes.
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by sen-no-sen » 22/08/14, 23:04

Ahmed wrote:Yes, these are all good scenarios, at least if we admit a gradual shift.
On the other hand, in case of a brutal collapse, an occurrence that seems most likely to me, I do not see the possibility of the pursuit towards robotics ...


State-of-the-art technologies aimed at transforming humanity and the environment constitute a kind of messianism for the prelates of the system.
This is indeed the only way for his last to be able to extend the process without limit.
The next phase to transhumanism should also be spatial colonization ... a space which would indeed offer prospects for "significant" growth.
https://www.globalonenessproject.org/library/articles/space-race-over

We could moreover succinctly summarize the "exponentialist" process as follows:
1) Colonization of other nations.
2) Relocation of production tools in order to distribute STM "memes"
3) Globalization (mondialism)
4) crumbling ...
5) collapse.
6) Restructuring.
7) New phase of expansion ... (space?)

Unless there is a qualitative leap in human thought *, I think that transhumanism will have happened one way or another ... That's why the current period is certainly one of the most important of our time. history, because it will guide our society towards Cornelian choices: Luciferian way or way of wisdom ...

* Some work there fortunately!
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by sen-no-sen » 22/08/14, 23:12

Nil growth in France in the second quarter

French GDP stagnated in the second quarter, and all indicators are in the red, pushing the government to revise its economic forecasts.

France remained entangled in the second quarter in zero growth, forcing the government to very clearly correct its forecasts for 2014, while calling for European indulgence for its deficit. The country saw its gross domestic product (GDP) stagnate in the second quarter as already in the first, announced the INSEE Thursday, noting that almost all growth engines were down.

This failure was European in scope: Germany announced Thursday a contraction of 0,2% of its GDP in the second quarter, Italy fell back into recession, the entire euro zone also posted growth. zero, despite bursts in Portugal and Spain. Alexandre Delaigue, professor of economics at Saint-Cyr, said to himself, faced with these figures, "not particularly surprised, rather resigned."

http://www.lepoint.fr/economie/croissance-nulle-en-france-au-deuxieme-trimestre-14-08-2014-1853722_28.php

No growth or start of recession? Ah semantics! : Lol:
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