Eco-pastille: the new green pellet?

[A2E]

Another device to pollute less?
Heard this morning on France Inter and here:

The eco-badge "penalizing the most polluting cars or a speed reduction of 10 km / h seem well on the way to being adopted by the Grenelle de l'Environnement, according to concordant sources. They are among the proposals to limit traffic. 'impact of transport on the climate which gathered a certain consensus among experts on Wednesday September 26. On the other hand, the establishment of an "eco-charge" targeting heavy goods vehicles is subject to reservations in the transport sector road.

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[Capt_Maloche]

By driving less quickly, motorists get bored and drive "less smooth"
suddenly, I'm not betting on an economy

[Christophe]

If I understand the eco-sticker correctly, it is more or less the opposite of the Green sticker implemented a few years ago and quickly abandoned? For what specific reasons elsewhere ???

One more "tape on broken leg" measure ... and once again ecology rhymes with consumer sanction... and not of the industrialist ... it is always the faults of small is well known ...

So pkoi do not directly tax the sale prices of large vehicles (say whose power is greater than 150 hp) with a VAT not social but ecological VAT at around 35% for example !!
The manufacturers would risk reflecting on their "race for power" ...

[Christophe]

By driving less quickly, motorists get bored and drive "less smooth"
suddenly, I'm not betting on an economy

Completely agree ... on my diversion (55hp) the minimum consumption speed compared to the km traveled was ... 135 km / h ...

With the race to the power of the manufacturer and the specific consumption curve of the engines, it is a safe bet that by driving at 120 km one consumes more than 130 ...

Bravo politicians

[bham]

So pkoi do not directly tax the sale prices of large vehicles (say whose power is greater than 150 hp) with a VAT not social but ecological VAT at around 35% for example !!

Good proposition, agree 100%.

[Christophe]

Ben voui but proposal inaplicable ... lobbies watch ... and manufacturers would find a law to counter this measure style anti-competitive law (compared to vehicles purchased abroad ...)

[Flytox]

Bonjour à tous

So pkoi do not directly tax the sale prices of large vehicles (say whose power is greater than 150 hp) with a VAT not social but ecological VAT at around 35% for example !!

Good proposition, agree 100%.

With the 150 hp bar the tax becomes decorative , we are not in the USA where the average power of vehicles is much higher than in France. To remain logical, if it takes (not even) 50 hp to go up to 130 km / h the tax must switch to 50 hp !!!!! Below we help financially, above we tax block!

Historically, the calculation of fiscal power should also change. The formula should take into account what consumes: The SCx, the weight of the vehicle, the consumption of the mill under the conditions representative of use, etc.

A+

[Christophe]

Well in absolute terms I think the same but less than 50hp is less 5% of new models (right?) ... so this limit of 50hp could be difficult for consumers to accept ...

Our twingo is 65hp I believe and is far from a fuel sinkhole ...

[bham]

The eco-badge "penalizing the most polluting cars or a speed reduction of 10 km / h seem well on the way to being adopted by the Grenelle de l'Environnement, according to concordant sources

They talked about it at 13 pm JT about the speed reduction. Besides, as Christophe said, a questionable reduction in consumption, the obligation to change all speed limit signs nationwide. It's probably good for GDP, but is it really economical?
What are the greens based on to offer this?

[Christophe]

It's probably good for GDP, but is it really economical?

Uh, I didn't follow you ... can you clarify? What is GDP doing there? If it's economic it's not good for GDP ...

What are the greens based on to offer this?

I don't even prefer to know ... The problem with greens is that very few have scientific training ...

To come back to the VAT, that sticks with one of the green proposals for the Grenelle:

12. Introduction of a reduced VAT rate on clean products and higher on products harmful to the environment.

http://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/ne ... _3512.php4