A world without humans? Arte

[Ahmed]

Cuicui, you write:

It (violence) is increasingly frowned upon.

It is true for our small local universe (and again!) But it is not general.

Violence has become less exposed, less claimed, but little has really changed; in a recent article in Le Monde, referring to the military action in Mali, mention is made of the "cleaning" of a sector, a modest and hygienic term to designate the scattering of the intestines of Islamic terrorists (former "freedom fighters" in Libya).

See the authorities' care to show only "soft" images of the conflict.

In addition to traditional violence, often hidden and which tends to relocate (it too!), Was added an impersonal economic violence which became omnipresent.

It seems to me that you are making a regrettable confusion: certainly, a gain of wisdom would be desirable and would constitute a favorable change.
This is illustrated by the famous quote from Diogenes who was looking with his lantern, in broad daylight, for a "man"!

However this change towards more wisdom can only be the fact of oneself and moreover it is not (and cannot be, by definition) not at all the object and the finality of transhumanism.

[sen-no-sen]

What has (better) changed in recent decades in terms of violence?

It is increasingly frowned upon.

Environmental degradations are also increasingly frowned upon, yet they have never been so serious ...

If we can see a decrease in crimes at the national level, there is still much to do at the global level alas!

In addition, although world conflicts have been contained by the arrival of the atomic weapon, the regionalization of intra or interstate conflicts has generated a colossal number of deaths since 1945 (several million deaths ...).

[sen-no-sen]

(...) to designate the scattering of the intestines of Islamic terrorists (ex "freedom fighters" in Libya).

Ah well they were the same? BHL would have lied to us!

However this change towards more wisdom can only be the fact of oneself and moreover it is not (and cannot be, by definition) not at all the object and the finality of transhumanism.

Right, the big problem with transhumanism is that it promises a better world without really "stopping" on the means to achieve it ...
Recall that communism, capitalism, and other doctrines, also promised a better world, the result is ... doubtful.

[Cuicui]

Recall that communism, capitalism, and other doctrines, also promised a better world, the result is ... doubtful.

Certainly. Let us not forget that the global changes have been so rapid that the medieval psyche of humanity has trouble keeping up. However, why should the development of empathy and compassion be incompatible with transhumanism?

[sen-no-sen]

However, why should the development of empathy and compassion be incompatible with transhumanism?

At the present time, transhumanism is of great interest to the armies of the world, because it would make it possible to develop super-soldiers and would facilitate the man / machine interface.
As for the compassionate aspect, we will go back ...

From a more philosophical point of view, transhumanism considers that the work of nature is incomplete or even imperfect ... and therefore must be "improved", but improved towards what?


It is therefore a dualist vision considering the human will (in truth of some "intellectuals") as superior to the evolutionary process of nature (cult of the self).

However, an improvement can only be considered in a timescale beyond human reach, because a current "improvement" may present a severe handicap in the future.
For example, if the wheel has a definite advantage over the legs in terms of speed, it is only because there are roads.
In the absence of a suitable structure, the wheels are useless ... that's why there are no animals on wheels!

In short, the major problem lies in the absence of a long-term vision in such a project.
What is more, such a concept is part of a merchant process.
Transhumanism actually promises to release man from his human condition (but I have big doubts!), But forgets to stipulate that on the other side it would make him totally captive of a system from which it would be almost impossible to escape ...

[Janic]

However, why should the development of empathy and compassion be incompatible with transhumanism?

perhaps precisely because current transhumanism is rather turned towards the exterior of the human being than its interior and counts on technology to fill this gap.

Spirituality [edit]
Although some transhumanists claim to adhere to a secular spiritual ideology, they are mostly atheists. A minority of transhumanists, however, follow liberal forms of Eastern philosophy traditions such as Buddhism and yoga or have their transhumanist ideas merged with established Western religions such as liberal Christianity or Mormonism.

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Then it is supposed to be a response to the anguish of death (which is humanly universal) and hopes to push the big reaper as far as possible since, unlike the religions which cultivate a hope of a beyond, atheism or materialism limits the experience to this one moment that is our presence on this planet.

[Cuicui]

However, why should the development of empathy and compassion be incompatible with transhumanism?

perhaps precisely because current transhumanism is rather turned towards the exterior of the human being than its interior and counts on technology to fill this gap.

I am not sure that the proponents of transhumanism will continue on this path for a long time, when they realize that their life becomes a hell due to emotional deficiencies.
Regarding the fear of death, I am not sure that it is a universal constant. It is often due to unbearable unconscious memories linked to the danger of dying at the beginning of our life (during fetal life for example). Once these memories are found and removed, the prospect of dying is much less fearful.

[sen-no-sen]

I am not sure that the proponents of transhumanism will continue on this path for a long time, when they realize that their life becomes a hell due to emotional deficiencies.

Certainly, but transhumanisms could in some cases become a palliative for its shortcomings.

To convince you, watch this edifying documentary on the emotional situation of Japanese people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUN-Z3j_e9Q

The rise of pornography, and of sexual mercantilism resulting from libertarian ideology seems to me one of the bases (wanted?) Necessary for the construction of this doctrine (like "marriage for all").

[Cuicui]

transhumanisms could in a certain case become a palliative to its shortcomings.

It remained to be seen whether the effect of this palliative was lasting and whether nature did not end up taking over.

[sen-no-sen]

transhumanisms could in a certain case become a palliative to its shortcomings.

It remained to be seen whether the effect of this palliative was lasting and whether nature did not end up taking over.

Of course, history shows us that nature always takes back its "rights"!