Public transport

[bamboo]

Hello,

I understand that an order was made for companies to reimburse the entire orange card. Only missing the application decree.

So I know that some of the econologists will say "Paris is not the navel of the world" but given the number of Ile-de-France residents, it can contribute to a beneficial effect on the environment.

I begin to hope that motorists will "buy" their orange card even if they know they will not use it much. And then from time to time they will take public transport for such and such a reason, will find that they can read, rest and even, sometimes, save time!
And I hope they will take them from + to +.

Until now, they had a hard time trying the transport: by unit, it costs so much!

What do you think ?

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[zac]

Hello,

I understand that an order was made for companies to reimburse the entire orange card. Only missing the application decree.

Hello

Always dream and wait a long time.

considering the price of the orange card; sarko is not about to do this "cowardly" to his boss friends

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[bamboo]

Hi Zac,

I was expecting an anti-Paris sling, but in fact it comes from the political side

It would be a governmental order of 13 March 2007 ...
No reason, therefore, that they stop on the way.
*Fingers crossed*

(By the way, it does not cost much to the bosses, if they can buy a social peace for so little, I do not think they will deprive themselves)

Hello

Always dream and wait a long time.

considering the price of the orange card; sarko is not about to do this "cowardly" to his boss friends

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[zac]

(By the way, it does not cost much to the bosses, if they can buy a social peace for so little, I do not think they will deprive themselves)

Hi there are 2 kinds of employers, the honorable ones, who have a business to run and who pay their employees properly in exchange for a freely given work and those I call the rats who don't give a damn (and especially their employees); for whom only the reduction of "costs" matters.

Those there will no longer hire suburban guys because the 5 Zones card is more expensive than the 2 zones.

It's the same people who make people go 90h / week without paying overtime by blackmailing the job and saying they have no choice because it would take more than 9 employees and the devil would come back in the house (devil = staff delegate).

You see it's not anti primary parisianism !!!!!

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[renaud67]

Hello,
Although the Paris region probably has the largest number of public transit users, it would also be necessary to think about the province. My wife had to fight to keep half of the public transportation costs back ... her bopite want remove this benefit (actually after a buyout) to encourage the car ...
yes Zac actually rats

[Targol]

Mouaif, when we know that the receipts due to tickets represent only 15% of RATP's revenue (the rest being paid for by advertising and subsidies - municipal, regional and national),
it would be best to make public transport free (or at a very very low cost).
It would not make a big difference in the RATP budget but would probably have a huge impact on the use ...

[zac]

Mouaif, when we know that the receipts due to tickets represent only 15% of RATP's revenue (the rest being paid for by advertising and subsidies - municipal, regional and national),
it would be best to make public transport free (or at a very very low cost).
It would not make a big difference in the RATP budget but would probably have a huge impact on the use ...

*
some commune makes it free (rare); but there is little that is a lobby that opposes because it does not develop

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[elephant]

In fact, it's not that crazy idea: either you look for a "relatively rare" specialist and you pay for it, or you favor local employment: that is the quality of life!
It's also interesting from the point of view management-cost of work: if you have to give a salary higher than a person to come from afar, there are taxes and social charges: as much to pay in travel expenses, without taxes or charges: it is cheaper at equal net pay.
In fact, the bosses understood it very well in the time of the "corons" near the coal mines and steelworks.

In Belgium, covering at least part of the travel costs "home-place of work" is a legal obligation: to such an extent that my kid who worked in Antwerp, lived with his girlfriend in Antwerp, but was domiciled in Charleroi hundred euros per month of travel expenses. these costs are calculated according to a legal mileage package.
At the same time (2004) I was exempted from paying these costs to my worker, pcq he was "obliged" to return home with the service vehicle (on-call roles, direct departure to the customer, late returns, etc.)
There is even a compensatory system, also at km for those who come by bike.
That said, for me to come to work by car in Paris, it should rather offer me ..... a parking space! When you are an installer or delivery man in Paris, it's hell and the police are not soft!
To have gone there very often for 7 years, I think that a large majority of fixed workers take public transport, because there is! Quite different from suburban or country corners in Belgium where there is 2 bus per hour on weekdays, one bus per hour on weekends, even one or two buses in the morning, one or two buses in the evening and nothing at all the weekend !

[bolton069]

Hi everybody

Mouaif, when we know that receipts due to tickets represent only 15% of RATP receipts (the rest being paid for by advertising and grants - municipal, regional and national),

I have already heard higher numbers such as 25%, could you specify where the info is findable STP. (RATP annual report available somehow?)

There is even a compensatory system, also at km for those who come by bike.

Yes sir, even she is max. 0.15 € / km and that it is tax deductible.

See the detail on the provelo website

[elephant]

thank you bolton069 for these clarifications: it must however be specified that the bike allowance is not mandatory.

that said, there is on the site pro bike, the kind of information that I do not like too much, pcq delivered in the rough:

Studies have shown that workers who come by bike are less often absent because of illness. Those who commute to work by bicycle every day are in better physical condition than their fellow motorists.
- Cycling workers have higher productivity because they are in better shape and are less stressed.

indeed, all serious statisticians will tell you that there is an egg or chicken effect!