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by recyclinage » 27/07/09, 13:01

How will be compensated
the carbon tax?
Michel Rocard, who chaired the group of experts responsible for studying this tax, believes that the compensation mechanism is "not yet developed".



The carbon tax continues to be talked about, on the eve of the submission of a report on the subject to the government. Michel Rocard, who chaired the group of experts responsible for drawing up this report, thus ruled, on Monday July 27, on RMC, that the compensation for this tax for households and businesses was "not yet developed" and that the tax administration had to "work on it".
This compensation will be "in the form of a check to households and relief from employers' social charges for companies, and even financial repayment as for households", he said.
"Revolutionary measure" for Cohn-Bendit

The leader of Europe-Ecology, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, qualifies him this carbon tax of "revolutionary measure", in an interview published by Les Echos. "It is the beginning of a transformation of the tax", he declared, while asking Nicolas Sarkozy to "hold good" because it is "a fair idea, proposed besides by the Grenelle of the environment".
More wary, the General Confederation of Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises (CGPME) on Monday called for a study of the "economic impact" of the future tax before its implementation, and its compensation by "an equivalent reduction in the taxation ".








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Carbon tax: Rocard hands over his copy




by recyclinage » 28/07/09, 08:26

Carbon tax: Rocard resets
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The former Prime Minister must submit his report to Jean-Louis Borloo and Christine Lagarde in the middle of the afternoon.


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Michel Rocard returns his copy on the carbon tax. According to his entourage, the former Prime Minister, president of the conference of experts on the creation of a climate energy contribution, is due to submit his report Tuesday July 28 at 16 p.m. to the ministers of Ecology and the Economy, Jean- Louis Borloo and Christine Lagarde.
What redistribution?

Drawn up by elected officials, economists, representatives of employers and unions from debates held at a conference of experts, the report retains the proposals that have achieved consensus. This is not the case, for example, with the idea of ​​taxing electricity, for which Michel Rocard spoke personally.
The tax on fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal) could bring in 8 billion euros on the basis of a tonne of CO2 billed 32 euros immediately (then 100 euros in 2030). It would represent an average total of 300 euros per year per household, but the payment of a "green check" to the middle and working classes has been mentioned several times. It remains to be seen how the amount of this check will be calculated, a task which should now be the responsibility of the tax administration.








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Rocard assures us that he does not want to "martyr the power of




by recyclinage » 28/07/09, 10:41

Rocard ensures that he does not want to "martyr purchasing power"

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Former Prime Minister Michel Rocard unveils his carbon tax proposals on Tuesday © BALTEL / SIPA
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Michel Rocard, president of the expert conference on the creation of a carbon tax, or Climate Energy Contribution (CCE), makes his copy Tuesday afternoon. The former Prime Minister is summoned at 16 p.m. at the Hôtel de Roquelaure, where he will submit his recommendations to the Minister of Ecology Jean-Louis Borloo and to the Minister of the Economy Christine Lagarde. The expert consensus conference brought together, for two days at the beginning of July, economists, industrialists, trade unionists and associations to draw the contours of this CCE. Then, on July 30, a round table brought together behind closed doors, chaired by Michel Rocard, around fifteen people (elected officials, economists, representatives of employers and unions) to formulate its measures. These are the ones that were the subject of a consensus that will be delivered to ministers on Tuesday.

The carbon tax targets fossil fuels - oil, gas, coal - "in order to deter excessive consumption", which generates greenhouse gas emissions, Michel Rocard recalled on Monday. But "my recommendation is that we adjust electricity prices so that the deterrent to consume energy also weighs on electricity" said the former Prime Minister on Europe 1 on Tuesday morning. This tax could bring in 8 billion euros on the basis of a ton of CO2 billed 32 euros immediately, then 100 euros in 2030. With heating, it would represent an average total of 300 euros per household per year. This would represent an additional cost of 7,7 cents per liter of unleaded fuel. Gas heating would suffer an additional cost of 15%.

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"The intention of the tax is not to martyr purchasing power," however warned Michel Rocard on Tuesday. The politician calls to "distinguish the case of households and the case of companies". For households, the former Socialist Prime Minister wants "to compensate for the overload". The green check formula, particularly popular with Jean-Louis Borloo, seems to find favor in his eyes. For companies, "we want to get enough to compensate for the losses of purchasing power of the middle and working classes and relieve companies threatened by foreign competition", he explained Monday, thus following the instructions of the president of the Republic. "The more we tax pollution, the more we will lighten the burden on work," Nicolas Sarkozy declared before the Versailles Congress at the end of June.

On Friday, the Swedish presidency of the European Union announced that it wanted to "start a discussion on the carbon tax within the group of European finance ministers". Stockholm, in fact, introduced such a tool in 1990 and never ceases to extol its merits. It indicates that its CO2 emissions have since fallen by 9%, while gross domestic product has increased at the same time by 48%. In France, calendar side, "the best would be to be ready for 2010", estimates Michel Rocard.








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by recyclinage » 29/07/09, 08:49

The carbon tax will be fully redistributed

The State will "return" the 8 billion collected, but each household will not recover the amount it has paid.

Too bad for those who thought they could close up part of the budget deficit! The future carbon tax "will be strictly compensated (...), so as to preserve the purchasing power of households and the competitiveness of businesses", promised Tuesday the ministers Jean-Louis Borloo (Ecology) and Christine Lagarde (Economy), receiving the Rocard report. Simple reminder, in reality, of the refusal of Nicolas Sarkozy, expressed from the “Grenelle de l'Environnement” at the end of 2007, that the tax translates into an increase in compulsory levies.

This had not prevented Bercy, in recent weeks, from hoping to recover part of the 8 billion that the tax could bring. The rapporteur of the budget to the Assembly, Gilles Carrez (UMP), was still on the same wavelength Monday: "It is not a question of redistributing it to the nearest euro", but to grant some counterparts, “To support the most vulnerable,” he pleaded in La Tribune.

He should therefore not be successful. The 8 billion collected in the form of a “green TIPP” on fuels or gas will be paid in full to households and businesses. This does not mean that each, individually, will receive from the State the same as what he paid him! This would amount to creating a gas plant that would not fulfill its objective: to change habits to produce less CO2.

Mitigate criticism

But the total sum will be "recycled" in the form of aid, for example to the most modest households, living far from their company or having a job with shifted hours (which obliges them to take their car to go to work). What to try to mitigate the criticisms of the French who begin to realize that, behind the “sympathetic” idea of ​​an effort for the planet, hides an increase of 7 or 8 centimes of the liter of gasoline! The consumer association UFC-Que Choisir has long been reluctant to the idea of ​​a carbon tax, precisely fearing for purchasing power. The PS should be satisfied, since it is favorable to the principle of the tax, on condition of a "socially just redistribution". The Modem, through the voice of Corinne Lepage, leans in the same direction.

The precise mechanism remains to be worked out. The tax authorities will have to work on it during the summer, knowing that the more we want to refine it, the more complex it will be to implement. Certain sectors such as fishing could also be supported. For the Secretary of State for Ecology Chantal Jouanno, "there is no reason not to discuss (the tax) within the framework of the next finance bill", for an introduction from 2010.








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by gegyx » 29/07/09, 09:32

Finally, another measure where no one agreed with the government, but which had to be done anyway ...

But like everywhere on forum, it was an uproar, and as the agents of "the temperature of the net" 8) , the government readjusts its words to calm the populace.

Help businesses? Why ? For the energy surcharge? Or to give them more?

Because, by doing the accounts. If we compensate for small households who cannot do otherwise, and certain industries dependent on the carbon surcharge, there is still a large differential on the total of the windfall, corresponding to the tax on other households and on other industries ... .
What do we do with this money? Shall we redistribute it under green check? We quickly provide means to change our locomotion habits, working time, restrict mobility at work, reduce the tense flow of goods by truck, quickly offer means of transport that respect the environment and basic in terms of comfort and price, precise technical data sheets to improve the insulation of your house as well as possible, to implement ideal means of heating for the planet?

This is where we expect effective measures. Otherwise what good is all this smala of leaders, advisers, great thinkers, who stuff themselves with the money of the republic, without return? : Evil:
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by recyclinage » 29/07/09, 09:37

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The carbon tax will be fully redistributed




I rather expected a remark of the style

why did he intend to keep it for them?

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by gegyx » 29/07/09, 10:08

The last....

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualit ... ourde.html

He is strong ! The gifted, creator of the CSG, to explain the carbon tax:

"It will not be an additional tax. It will be a constant levy"
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by Did67 » 29/07/09, 11:51

I'm just wondering if the quote in the article is correct.

Shouldn't the formula have been ... "It won't be an additional tax. It will be A constant deduction".

I remind you (I did it elsewhere, on a first thread concerning the carbon tax) that the proposal comes from the commitments that the Hulot foundation made sign to the French presidential candidates. Sarko, like others, signed.

It was conceived as a tax on energies rejecting CO² of fossil origin, at a constant fiscal pressure (that would be the correct expression). So this increase in taxation on petroleum products (petroleum, fossil gas) had to be offset by cuts in other taxes and levies.

I think (sincerely) that this is what Rocard wanted to recall in a phrase that suddenly is incomprehensible ...

I think if the tax is not sensitive it will have no effect !!!

But for now, this second part (the compensation) is very unclear. In part, a check ??? Lower business tax ??? ETc ... We heard a lot of things, except the government's intentions ...

In my opinion, it was a big bullshit to make these announcements without being in the point on the compensations, because, suddenly, everyone is against !!!

The lobbies are already all at work on the theme "it's not me, it's him!" ... The best one being the position of I do not remember which fuel lobby which proposes to lower the TIPP as much. In other words, to make the carbon tax insensitive to fuel oil, therefore to have no reason not to continue consuming fuel as before! Rarely seen more brilliant (from their point of view) in terms of proposal. Total defusing of the device. The earth is on fire, but above all, let nothing change !!! The French, whom the upcoming fuel bill can panic, will obviously agree ... And the measure will end in sausage water ...
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by recyclinage » 29/07/09, 12:27

Rocard says the carbon tax "will be heavy"
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The former Prime Minister, who submitted his report on Tuesday, assures us, however, that compensation is provided for "those for whom it is enormous".

Vélérie Létard, Michel Rocard, Jean-Louis Borloo and Chantal Jouanno for the submission of the report on the carbon tax. (AFP)

Vélérie Létard, Michel Rocard, Jean-Louis Borloo and Chantal Jouanno for the submission of the report on the carbon tax. (AFP)
Former Prime Minister Michel Rocard affirms Wednesday July 29 in La Provence that he understands the concern of the French on the climate-energy contribution (CCE) and admits that the carbon tax will be "heavy".
"If they are worried, it is legitimate because the tax will be heavy," says Michel Rocard. "They will be until the forms of compensation are defined." The president of the conference of experts on the carbon tax, which submitted its report to the government on Tuesday, assures that compensation is provided for "those for whom it is enormous". In particular, "rural people or distant suburbs, who have atypical working hours, (...) as well as modest and average incomes".

"Not an additional tax"

This compensation will be "probably" in the form of a "green check", says Michel Rocard, who wants to be reassuring. "It will not be an additional tax. It will be a constant levy."
Concretely, the carbon tax will increase the liter of gasoline at the pump from 7 to 8 cents, "perhaps a little more for diesel". And "for gas heating, this will represent an increase of around 10%".
Regarding the implementation of the carbon tax, Michel Rocard indicates that the implementation bill "should take place in the form of an amending law in the 2010 budget".
(Nouvelobs.com)








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by recyclinage » 08/08/09, 21:07

Carbon tax: 32 euros per tonne, "that's too much", according to Eric Woerth

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PARIS - Budget Minister Eric Woerth said that the carbon tax of 32 euros per tonne is too high, while declaring himself in favor of its redistribution to households, in an interview with Figaro Magazine published on Saturday.

"The report (experts led by Michel Rocard, editor's note) envisages 32 euros per tonne of CO2. In my eyes, this is too high a step," declared Mr. Woerth who specifies that "the President of the Republic and the Prime Minister Minister will arbitrate ".

"The income from the tax on households is intended to be returned to them", assured the minister.

The redistribution of the climate-energy contribution (CCE) to households "could in particular take into account the constraints suffered by some of them, taking into account for example their distance from public transport as well as their level of income", specified Mr. Woerth.

The budget minister no longer explicitly rules out the possibility of a "green check", a proposal from the minister of ecology, Jean-Louis Borloo, which he initially dismissed. "Managing redistribution systems, we know how to do it," said Woerth.

On July 7, he said he was unfavorable "to the distribution of new checks, green or not".

Supported by Nicolas Hulot during the 2007 presidential campaign, the carbon tax aims to encourage companies, administrations and individuals to consume less fossil fuels (oil, gas, coal), in particular in transport and heating, in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

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