It just appeared in the last S&A Hors Serie special Auto.
It is less worse than that of S&V (phew) but it lacks a little scientific explanation for my taste (and especially that of Julien R. I presume ...) and passes econology for a purely commercial site ... bof bof but good ... c is better than nothing ...
I scan it and put it on the site.
Sciences et Avenir: article on the Pantone Gillier
-
- Moderator
- posts: 79126
- Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
- Location: Greenhouse planet
- x 10974
Sciences et Avenir: article on the Pantone Gillier
Last edited by Christophe the 30 / 04 / 08, 14: 23, 1 edited once.
0 x
Do a image search or an text search - Netiquette of forum
-
- Moderator
- posts: 79126
- Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
- Location: Greenhouse planet
- x 10974
Here it is scanned:
Suite and end to download here: https://www.econologie.com/article-sur-l ... -3801.html
The number is interesting, it gives an overview of the energy solutions for the car of tomorrow ... but nothing new on the horizon ... ah if they even talk about Meyer ...
Suite and end to download here: https://www.econologie.com/article-sur-l ... -3801.html
The number is interesting, it gives an overview of the energy solutions for the car of tomorrow ... but nothing new on the horizon ... ah if they even talk about Meyer ...
Last edited by Christophe the 30 / 04 / 08, 17: 38, 2 edited once.
0 x
Do a image search or an text search - Netiquette of forum
-
- Moderator
- posts: 79126
- Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
- Location: Greenhouse planet
- x 10974
Oops I cheated ... not too much emotion copied / pasted at once
I give the link: https://www.econologie.com/article-sur-l ... -3801.html
Nevertheless, if you subscribed to RSS feeds you would have the right link directly on your desktop (or elsewhere ...): https://www.econologie.com/abonnement-pa ... -3672.html
I give the link: https://www.econologie.com/article-sur-l ... -3801.html
Nevertheless, if you subscribed to RSS feeds you would have the right link directly on your desktop (or elsewhere ...): https://www.econologie.com/abonnement-pa ... -3672.html
0 x
Do a image search or an text search - Netiquette of forum
Christophe thank you!
I just read all that. I saw that there was also Christophe TARDY, the friend of JPP, at least at one time ...
TARDY is now more cautious since it announces in advance no decrease in consumption for its systems.
It is true that the effects of water injection are intriguing. I personally think that there may be an effect promoting combustion in a slightly humid atmosphere. Water has chemical affinities with organic molecules, it also has a polarizability ... The flame front may move faster, the combustion would be more complete.
To progress, it would be necessary to bring together experimental specialists, and an expert in combustion / modeling.
And make a test bench worthy of the name. I know that the students of Echo Moteur² do their best, but it would require a bench test builder ... with live measurement of everything, everything, everything (air sucked, water consumption, RPM , power, exhaust gas analysis).
Because the supposed drop of conso is still under the sword of Damocles of the decline of power ... in spite of other apparently apparent advantages on the depollution of the exhaust ...
Another thing that will spoil the lives of experimenters is the unknown corrections of modern electronic systems to handle injection. Even builders do not have to know how their processors and algorithms react to Gillier Pantone editing
@+
I just read all that. I saw that there was also Christophe TARDY, the friend of JPP, at least at one time ...
TARDY is now more cautious since it announces in advance no decrease in consumption for its systems.
It is true that the effects of water injection are intriguing. I personally think that there may be an effect promoting combustion in a slightly humid atmosphere. Water has chemical affinities with organic molecules, it also has a polarizability ... The flame front may move faster, the combustion would be more complete.
To progress, it would be necessary to bring together experimental specialists, and an expert in combustion / modeling.
And make a test bench worthy of the name. I know that the students of Echo Moteur² do their best, but it would require a bench test builder ... with live measurement of everything, everything, everything (air sucked, water consumption, RPM , power, exhaust gas analysis).
Because the supposed drop of conso is still under the sword of Damocles of the decline of power ... in spite of other apparently apparent advantages on the depollution of the exhaust ...
Another thing that will spoil the lives of experimenters is the unknown corrections of modern electronic systems to handle injection. Even builders do not have to know how their processors and algorithms react to Gillier Pantone editing
@+
0 x
Remundo wrote:
To progress, it would be necessary to bring together experimental specialists, and an expert in combustion / modeling.
And make a test bench worthy of the name. I know that the students of Echo Moteur² do their best, but it would require a bench test builder ... with live measurement of everything, everything, everything (air sucked, water consumption, RPM , power, exhaust gas analysis).
Hello,
always the same reflection ... the super high tech engine bench ... we are still waiting for a sign from the builders since it is almost impossible on our scale ...
Another thing that will spoil the lives of experimenters is the unknown corrections of modern electronic systems to handle injection. Even builders do not have to know how their processors and algorithms react to Gillier Pantone editing
@+
yes, it's in the line of my conclusion (a little retouched since) here:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post77447.html#77447
good old engine, mechanical regulator, with flair you rules, no need for super complicated algorithms and embedded computer!
@+
0 x
"To do something is expensive, to do nothing will cost much more." Koffie Annan
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
Hi Lio74,
It's a shame that no manufacturer wants to look officially on the subject.
The Germans (again), have long experimented in aviation the water / ethanol mixture 50 / 50, however, in proportions not comparable to the Gillier process.
Finally, knowing their high technicality and their passion for engine, in my opinion, it's been a long time that behind the walls have to sleep some test reports very accurate and interesting on diesel / water or gas / water.
In a time of energy savings, it would not be bad business strategy to take an objective position on the subject WITH scientific measures in support ...
Maybe the results are not staggering But also some other interests, how to say ... contrary would they have manifested themselves?
@+
It's a shame that no manufacturer wants to look officially on the subject.
The Germans (again), have long experimented in aviation the water / ethanol mixture 50 / 50, however, in proportions not comparable to the Gillier process.
Finally, knowing their high technicality and their passion for engine, in my opinion, it's been a long time that behind the walls have to sleep some test reports very accurate and interesting on diesel / water or gas / water.
In a time of energy savings, it would not be bad business strategy to take an objective position on the subject WITH scientific measures in support ...
Maybe the results are not staggering But also some other interests, how to say ... contrary would they have manifested themselves?
@+
Last edited by Remundo the 01 / 05 / 08, 00: 35, 1 edited once.
0 x
-
- Moderator
- posts: 79126
- Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
- Location: Greenhouse planet
- x 10974
Ben in France we have aquazole since 10 years ...
https://www.econologie.com/par-elf-l-aqu ... es-72.html
But we are still looking at the pump ...
Otherwise read the news of the 1er April ...patents are not pranks of 1er April !!
https://www.econologie.com/diesel-renaul ... -3772.html
1er Renault patent FR2895461 water injection "in" the EGR
2ieme Renault FR2870892 patent on the condensation of exhaust gases
https://www.econologie.com/par-elf-l-aqu ... es-72.html
But we are still looking at the pump ...
Otherwise read the news of the 1er April ...patents are not pranks of 1er April !!
https://www.econologie.com/diesel-renaul ... -3772.html
1er Renault patent FR2895461 water injection "in" the EGR
2ieme Renault FR2870892 patent on the condensation of exhaust gases
Last edited by Christophe the 10 / 03 / 10, 14: 32, 1 edited once.
0 x
Do a image search or an text search - Netiquette of forum
-
- Similar topics
- Replies
- views
- Last message
-
- 0 Replies
- 2728 views
-
Last message by bolton069
View the latest post
09/05/07, 15:49A subject posted in the forum : Media and news: TV shows, reports, books, news ...
-
- 11 Replies
- 13581 views
-
Last message by nlc
View the latest post
01/03/06, 00:01A subject posted in the forum : Media and news: TV shows, reports, books, news ...
Back to "Media & News: TV shows, reports, books, news ..."
Who is online ?
Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 154 guests