Ecological planning on 10 years

[Christophe]

For the coup 8000 € thanks to the hours sup Frankly !!

Frankly as you say .... because when we read that a pensioner TGV driver touches 6000 € retirement, I think a lineman who would 250 300h per month in case of crisis could well touch 8000 € .. I said well in case of crisis !!

For the rest ok.

[C moa]

For the coup 8000 € thanks to the hours sup Frankly !!

Frankly as you say .... because when we read that a pensioner TGV driver touches 6000 € retirement, I think a lineman who would 250 300h per month in case of crisis could well touch 8000 € .. I said well in case of crisis !!

This is typically the problem of the gap between function / hardship and pay.

To make simple (iste), the transport of people is the windfall for the SNCF and in this area, its spearhead is the TGV. Track maintenance, on the other hand, is expensive for RFF and overall the guys are invisible to the general public ....

You have the same kind of gap between aircrew and ground staff at AirFrance ...

[Christophe]

[Humor Mode]
Ben the Lignard he sails well on the lines no?
[Humor Mode]

I think that in the remuneration grid of EdF / RTE they must be the best placed ... but there is a risk so logical.

Apart from the guys who go to the radioactive zone (subcontractor most of the time) it's the most risky position at EdF ...

No matter, well I'm talking 1 little in the wind there, the best is that you ask your friend ...

[Elec]

The November 29 took place the birth of the Left Party of Jean-Luc Mélenchon:
"Certainly in the declaration of identity of the left party we propose an ecological planning to steer the transition from the current mode of production to the new ecological age of society. Environmentalists are present among the founders of our party. But that is not enough. no. We need a lot of help in order to operate the ideological mutation that political ecology proposes on our own. I appeal to the ecologists of the left. Come, help us, take your place to found the program and proposals of the new left party "
http://www.lepartidegauche.fr/index.php ... Itemid=106
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6apwAIp982iRFRpMA

What do you think ?

I had not seen this, they interest me so little (the communist / Trotskyist skewer Besancenot, Melanchon, Laguiller, Buffet, part of the greens etc.). Well, that's it, it's clear and official, they seek to use ecology as an argument for imposing a planned economy. Class struggle. Green communism.

[Elec]

I think that ecology can be more effective when it is applied with a doctrine of the right, not in the sense: plunder of resources and maximum profit, of course, but in the sense of economic profitability of ecology. .

Moreover, econology is rather right ... for the simple reason that it includes just profitability ... while the left is rather grantmaking ...

And pkoi an ecologist should be left first? Your call seems to partition the ecologists to the left ... error no?

With a liberal doctrine rather, in the noble sense of the term, not necessarily right.

Daniel Cohn-Bendit (The Greens): "(...) An ecology that takes note of the market economy to better regulate it. (...) An ecology of innovation, excellence, precision, which renounces the intellectual laziness of dogmatic thought and breaks with the approximation. An ecology that prefers reality to purity, which does not prevent him from dreaming and dreaming. An ecology of envy and enthusiasm, which - without being naive - turns the back on catastophism, the ecology of deprivation, fear, urgency and threat! (...) A liberal ecology at the political, cultural and societal levels. A modern ecology resolutely turned towards the future, a movement of sustainable development which fully embraces the word development. (...) "

Bertrand Delanoë (PS): "Yes, I am liberal AND socialist"
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualit ... liste.html

[Christophe]

Yes good note!
I'm glad some greens got the "trick" too and the speech is a little different from:

I tax the ugly polluter to give it to nice investors or individuals in "green" energies

To what seems: the subsidy money does not smell of CO2 or oil ... True or false?

ps: a non-liberal socialist is not a communist?

[I Citro]

I think that ecology can be more effective when it is applied with a doctrine of the right, not in the sense: plunder of resources and maximum profit, of course, but in the sense of economic profitability of ecology. .

Moreover, econology is rather right ... for the simple reason that it includes just profitability ... while the left is rather grantmaking ...

And pkoi an ecologist should be left first? Your call seems to partition the ecologists to the left ... error no?

Well I think that ecology should be the center, because the state must impose constraints without which nothing will move.
be it economic, social and of course environmental.
Lyon has known a few weeks ago of peak pollution and NOTHING, no measure of traffic restriction ...

Currently, the French State subsidizes and deficalises pollution which creates a handicap for the least polluting and most economical solutions.
An example for the automobile (but it exists for the industry, agriculture ...):
I roll in a big sedan 12cv tax to go to work (LPG) I pollute a lot (+ 200g of CO2 / km) but this vehicle allows me to deduct 1500 € from my taxes (for 800 € fuel budget).
I plan to sell it for electric ride, so I will be taxed while this choice will reduce my impact on air quality ...
This type of tax reduction is more a disguised subsidy to the auto and oil sector than a real aid to purchasing power.
More and more consumers who have no car or do not renew it are therefore in this logic.

[Christophe]

Yes, but the center is has been ... unfortunately!

The French have become "binary": either it's left or it's right ...

[Elec]

Well I think that ecology should be the center, because the state must impose constraints without which nothing will move.
be it economic, social and of course environmental.

"We must organize ourselves collectively so that people can act and undertake with maximum freedom, within the global constraints defined by the capacities of ecosystems."

Alain Granjean, What if we make capitalism sustainable? March 2007

The difference between the modern left (ie accepting the market economy, ie non-communist / Trotskyist) and the right is the degree of social constraint accepted. For the environmental constraint, the consideration is fairly recent, and this consideration can take place just as much in the parties of the right as left.

Barack Obama:
"The question before us is not whether the market is a force that works for good or for evil. Its capacity to generate wealth and spread freedom is unparalleled, but this crisis reminded that if we are not vigilant, the market can get out of control. "

[I Citro]

Yes, but the center is has been ... unfortunately!

The French have become "binary": either it's left or it's right ...

Personally, I think that always to be confined to the conflict and the opposition is very counterproductive ...

I dream of a more cooperative world ...