The 1er February we cut it!

[jean63]

Targol wrote:

There, you call out to me. For having had 3 LPG vehicles, I know more or less the principle and for having surfed a little on forums pantone of econology, I think I more or less understood the basics and there, I do not really see how to reconcile the 2:
LPG is injected into the air intake circuit between the air filter and the engine,
The principle of the pantone is to mix the fuel with water and heat it all to crack the water and then inject the mixture.

Hence my questions:
how to mix a gas with water?
To have tested the "flash" effect of LPG (LPG explosion in the air filter in the event of bad ignition), it seems dangerous to me to make it circulate in a heating circuit from the exhaust, no ?

That's exactly what I thought, but not being a pantone specialist, I had a doubt about the method.

For having tested the "flash" effect of LPG (LPG explosion in the air filter in the event of poor ignition)

it happened to me, I had a brand new filter that was completely destroyed. it's scary when it happens !!

[I Citro]

I think about the question, I hesitate between:

- Zac-like water doping with dosing of water with a modeling fuel

- A LPG pantone with the risks that this means ... the doping gas / LPG gas mixing would be done at the output of a water doping regulator ...

My cars are equipped with lpg injection metered via a stepper motor.

[Christophe]

[*] The pantone principle is to mix the fuel with water and heat it all to crack the water and then inject the mixture. [/ List]
Hence my questions: [list] [*] how to mix a gas with water?

Uh you worry me ... in the case of doping the fuel is not mixed with water ... except in the cylinder of course ...

There is therefore NO difference (in the assembly) between the doping of an LPG and a petrol ...

[Targol]

Uh you worry me ... in the case of doping the fuel is not mixed with water ... except in the cylinder of course ...

There is therefore NO difference (in the assembly) between the doping of an LPG and a petrol ...

I repeat, I am not a pantone specialist. I thought the fuel was mixed with the water. Thanks for correcting me.

Otherwise, to get out of the Off-topic a bit and come back to the clipping, here is an email I received about it:

First assessment of the action 5 minutes of respite for the planet.
Friends of the Earth and the Cyber ​​@ctors Association warmly thank all the people and organizations who participated in the Five minutes of respite for the planet, organized by the Alliance for the Planet and coordinated by Friends of the Earth. A clear signal to presidential candidates.

Thanks everyone! The Electricity Transport Network (RTE) recognizes: "This decrease corresponds to the consumption of lighting and standby devices of around 3 million households". French electricity consumption fell by more than 1% between 19:55 p.m. and 20 p.m., the equivalent of the total consumption of the city of Marseille or the production of a nuclear reactor.

It is an unambiguous signal to decision makers and presidential candidates. Anne Bringault, director of Friends of the Earth, says: “The action exceeded all of our expectations, and mobilized far beyond militant networks. This popular event confirms that people are very concerned and ready to act concretely, as recalled by the TNS Sofres poll according to which 86% of French people are ready to reduce their electricity consumption ”.

The action was carried out on the eve of the publication in Paris of a new United Nations report on climate change, which promises to be alarming for hundreds of millions of people.

Cyrielle Den Hartigh, Climate Officer for Friends of the Earth, explains: “In the midst of the presidential election, citizens are the ones who demand the political to act. Solutions exist to fight against short and long term waste and to reduce our emissions. Buildings are the second sector emitting greenhouse gases in France, after transport. The insulation of 500 homes per year will allow a massive reduction in emissions. It is a realistic, profitable and job-creating measure ”.

Thousands of apartments and houses have gone out, but also the Eiffel Tower, the Fourvière basilica in Lyon, Notre Dame de la Garde in Marseille, the Arc de Triomphe in Montpellier, the Capitole square in Toulouse, the cathedral from Reims, the Colosseum in Rome, the University of Montreal in Canada, the Chamber of Deputies in the Netherlands and Germany, and many places in more than 20 countries.

Twenty people in Nice: for the other cities you can complete
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=27

Forty in Quimper with the presence of activists from the RIAC 29 and the CLCV, the fanfare A bout de souffle, which animated the small convivial demonstration filmed by France 3 Iroise: the inauguration of the new local Cyber ​​@cteurs at 18 rue Sainte Catherine for a double premiere was a success. We hope to make it a new tool at the service of a local associative dynamic but with the idea of ​​developing in all cities of France places that serve as relays for all associations working in the direction of sustainable development (decrease friendly in the north, sustainable development in the south).
see the news from France3 Iroise from Friday 2 February (in JT local editions: Iroise-Brest)
http://jt.france3.fr/

"sudden drop" in electricity consumption of about 800 megawatts
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/ ... 0.cxi2oaih

Climate change: rising dangers for future refugees

http://www.tv5.org/TV5Site/info/afp_som ... hp?rub=sci

Spain: cutting their current, they save 2.5% energy.
Press release from the Réseau Action Climat-France and its member associations
IPCC verdict imposes stronger political response
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/forum/viewsujet.php?t=3153

To know more :
Five minutes of respite for the planet and the habitat-climate campaign: see
www.amisdelaterre.org
The Alliance for the Planet: see www.lalliance.fr

[Other]

Hello
(Off topic )

In a panton 100% panton the only times that I walked with a mixed fuel it is alcohol / water otherwise when it is fuel, gasoline or fuel oil it passes into fuel vapor with water vapor in the reactor , but in these fuel mixture and water vapor assemblies there is a gain on the pollutants but on the fuel consumption alone or addition of water, difficult to measure.
In a doping with water alone while preserving the original system there is a gain.
Nothing has proven to me that in the reactor a mixture of water and fuel produces water that becomes fuel at the outlet (I would be the first surprised to learn this ..)
it is in the engine that something happens, the reactor conditions the steam, nothing tells us that other means of conditioning the steam will not be developed other than in a tube-rod reactor.

Andre

[pinch]

March 1: 55 minutes of respite for the planet

What do you say?

please react on forum of the pact or I would probably be more reactive than here

http://cinqminutesderepit.free.fr

[jean63]

March 1: 55 minutes of respite for the planet

What do you say?

please react on forum of the pact or I would probably be more reactive than here

http://cinqminutesderepit.free.fr

Here, I registered but I especially left this message because it seems to me that this kind of operation FORGETS everything I am talking about (among others) ===>

There is a huge waste that nobody talks about: it is lighting ALL night long and in ALL avenues and streets of ALL the towns and villages of this country and this "so-called civilized" WORLD ...... ....... ALL THESE UNNECESSARY AND HARMFUL VEGETATION ILLULINATIONS MUST BE TURNED OFF (I have an example in front of my house: because of the bullshit of the retirees in the neighborhood who do not put a toe outside after 19 p.m. until the next morning at 9 a.m., the town hall installed oversized lighting - 10 poles with 10 lamps - and for a year my stepfather's hedge - thuja- has yellowed on the street side and above, but no ground side in the shade !!!!!!!).

So, I am willing to switch off my electrical appliances. But there are many things to do BEFORE this kind of operation:

1 - Partially stop this street lighting

2 - Ditto for the various shops

3 - Avoid night matches on stadiums which must consume an impressive amount of KW per match.

4 - Install photovoltaic cells on the roofs of houses and resell the surplus to EDF (as in Freiburg in Germany) on the condition that it agrees to pay the current supplied at a correct price (allowing the cost of the photovoltaic cells to be amortized as in Germany). GREENPEACE launched a "Réseau Soleil" operation in 2003 to force EDF to increase its prices ... I will find out where we are ...

.................. Etc ...................... there is a lot to do, but EDF does nothing to encourage these facilities

[Targol]

March 1: 55 minutes of respite for the planet

What do you say?

And why not: right now 55 centuries respite for the planet?
These punctual operations, past their symbolism also serve as a pretext for doing nothing outside ...

So now:

• we turn off the lights when we leave the rooms
• we connect the hi-fi, the TV and the computer on switch multiple sockets
• we replace our filament bulbs (and especially our halogens ) by energy saving light bulbs
• we think twice before taking our car
• etc ....

And that EVERYDAY. Not 5 minutes here, 55 minutes there.
The state of our planet is such that these symbolic actions are no longer enough. In 1980, you could pretend to be concerned.
NOW FINISHED TO PLAY
ACTION MUST BE TAKEN IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO ENTER THE HUMAN BEING INTO THE LIST OF ENDANGERED SPECIES.

[jean63]

Bravo Targol ................but what do you think of my proposals which could avoid building new nuclear power plants?

So, I am willing to switch off my electrical appliances But there are a lot of things to do BEFORE this kind of operation

...... which does not mean that I do not constantly hunt for waste in the house (I have not waited for current fashion, but young people do not understand ... for now) and for the use of the car (no unnecessary trips). Do you always travel on a recumbent bike to go to work or else I confuse (electric bike?).

We must not forget that EDF has made huge profits this year (the biggest in its history I think). They are interested in selling more and more ELECTRICITY ........ you know the FEE

[Targol]

Bravo Targol ................but what do you think of my proposals that could avoid building new nuclear power plants?

I agree with you so much that I wrote a few months ago a blog post which says almost the same thing with the nuance that I attack the signs and the light advertisements when you are considering the public lighting side.

In my opinion, it will be more difficult to tackle public lighting because it is synonymous, in the minds of many people of safety.

As for the seasonal lighting set up for the holidays, I am not sure that our fellow citizens are ready to abandon this "tradition" ...