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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by Remundo » 29/07/22, 14:40

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phil59 wrote:The virtual battery is a solution, but to amortize it, I have no real figure on it, it takes a large installation, like 3-9 kWp, and installed in the standards, by a pro ....


What do you call a virtual battery?

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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by phil59 » 29/07/22, 15:27

There are no batteries at home, you "rent" batteries remotely, for a fee, and you consume what you have stored first.

The advantage, no big installation at home, but if no network, you have nothing either, unlike the physical battery at home.

https://www.oscaro-power.com/guide/fr_F ... -virtuelle

https://www.nouvelr-energie.com/pv/batt ... FHEALw_wcB

https://terresolaire.com/Blog/autoconso ... e-virtuel/
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by sicetaitsimple » 29/07/22, 19:28

OK, thanks. Obviously it seems to be very recent in France, with very few operators. The "business model" seems particularly fragile to me. Wait and see.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 29/07/22, 19:40

sicetaitsimple wrote:OK, thanks. Obviously it seems to be very recent in France, with very few operators. The "business model" seems particularly fragile to me. Wait and see.

Perhaps fragile, but pooling equipment "like in a cooperative" seems to me an interesting avenue in terms of the savings in raw materials and energy that can be achieved.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by sicetaitsimple » 29/07/22, 19:51

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:OK, thanks. Obviously it seems to be very recent in France, with very few operators. The "business model" seems particularly fragile to me. Wait and see.

Perhaps fragile, but pooling equipment "like in a cooperative" seems to me an interesting avenue in terms of the savings in raw materials and energy that can be achieved.


There is no hardware, it's purely virtual.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 29/07/22, 19:53

sicetaitsimple wrote:
GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:OK, thanks. Obviously it seems to be very recent in France, with very few operators. The "business model" seems particularly fragile to me. Wait and see.

Perhaps fragile, but pooling equipment "like in a cooperative" seems to me an interesting avenue in terms of the savings in raw materials and energy that can be achieved.


There is no hardware, it's purely virtual.

Really?
Ah. So it's even better.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by rpsantina » 29/07/22, 19:55

phil59 wrote:There are no batteries at home, you "rent" batteries remotely, for a fee, and you consume what you have stored first.

The advantage, no big installation at home, but if no network, you have nothing either, unlike the physical battery at home.

https://www.oscaro-power.com/guide/fr_F ... -virtuelle

https://www.nouvelr-energie.com/pv/batt ... FHEALw_wcB

https://terresolaire.com/Blog/autoconso ... e-virtuel/


Hello,

If I read correctly: the principle of the virtual battery is especially degraded by the fact of paying the VAT and the electric transport tax on the energy that you have injected and that you will consume off-beat.

source: https://www.otovo.fr/blog/le-solaire-et ... ectricite/

In addition, if you skip a battery pack, you will have nothing in the event of a grid failure.

The calculations seem quite complicated to save the price of batteries on site.

Good night.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by sicetaitsimple » 29/07/22, 20:31

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:
GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:Perhaps fragile, but pooling equipment "like in a cooperative" seems to me an interesting avenue in terms of the savings in raw materials and energy that can be achieved.


There is no hardware, it's purely virtual.

Really?
Ah. So it's even better.


I didn't say it was bad. It's a few computers and brain juice, electricity trading on a relatively small scale but centered on fine estimation of injections and withdrawals from a pool of self-consumption customers throughout the year.
But physically, it's trading, nothing more, no physical investment.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 29/07/22, 20:49

I didn't say you said it was wrong.
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Re: Everything you need to know about photovoltaics in France




by Obamot » 29/07/22, 22:30

rpsantina wrote:
phil59 wrote:There are no batteries at home, you "rent" batteries remotely, for a fee, and you consume what you have stored first.

The advantage, no big installation at home, but if no network, you have nothing either, unlike the physical battery at home.

https://www.oscaro-power.com/guide/fr_F ... -virtuelle

https://www.nouvelr-energie.com/pv/batt ... FHEALw_wcB

https://terresolaire.com/Blog/autoconso ... e-virtuel/


Hello,

If I read correctly: the principle of the virtual battery is especially degraded by the fact of paying the VAT and the electric transport tax on the energy that you have injected and that you will consume off-beat.

source: https://www.otovo.fr/blog/le-solaire-et ... ectricite/

In addition, if you skip a battery pack, you will have nothing in the event of a grid failure.

The calculations seem quite complicated to save the price of batteries on site.

Good night.

Thank you for your very useful clarifications.
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