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by Regismu » 24/03/12, 22:11

Regismu wrote:and who is still behind these financial projects with little interest for the production at the places of consumption ...

who sank the French sector to supposedly put an end to speculation while EDF and its subsidiaries "raffle" more than 75% of the CSPE dedicated to photovoltaics? and that their projects are the only ones to be passed through the moratorium
: Evil: : Evil: : Evil:

whose crime does he profit from?

and EDF does not talk about the CSPE paid in advance by the consumers that serves them as treasury : Evil: : Evil:

and the Figaro peddles the misinformation at the service of the lobbyists and the power and if it does not do it .. more budget pub. as they did with another newspaper : Evil: : Evil:
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by jlt22 » 24/03/12, 22:16

EDF is slow to pay solar electricity to individuals:

http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/energie-environnement/actu/reuters_00433866-edf-tarde-a-payer-l-electricite-solaire-aux-particuliers-303854.php

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by jlt22 » 24/03/12, 22:38

A site to know everything about photovoltaics set up by the association Hespul.

I put the link on the cost and the funding, but there is another lot of information:

[Url] http://www.photovoltaique.info/Financement-de-l-obligation-d.html [url] [/ url]
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by Regismu » 24/03/12, 22:47

Good evening jlt22
the link you put does not succeed

and you also have a forum dedicated only to photovoltaic and held by private producers where you will find everything you need:

http://forum-photovoltaique.fr/

otherwise you ask : Mrgreen:

and also a recognized 1901 law association of public utility:

http://gppep.org/ : Cheesy:
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by dedeleco » 24/03/12, 23:09

jlt22 wrote:A site to know everything about photovoltaics set up by the association Hespul.

I put the link on the cost and the funding, but there is another lot of information:

[Url] http://www.photovoltaique.info/Financement-de-l-obligation-d.html [url] [/ url]


corrected in:

http://www.photovoltaique.info/-couts-e ... ment-.html
http://www.photovoltaique.info/Avis-tec ... ation.html
http://www.photovoltaique.info/Financem ... ion-d.html
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by Did67 » 25/03/12, 12:31

Let's do some great things on time (professionally, I am involved in a photovoltaic roof of 600 m², a methane station of 175 electric kW and two new roofs in porject - allowed granted, some problems being resolved), without Figaro, but also without dogmatism and without blinkers:

a) the system which was "dismantled", that of the 1st phase arès the Grenelle, with a guaranteed price of around 60 centimes per kwh went straight into the wall:

- on the one hand, the CSPE was going to explode (these are commitments on 20 years, so they are geometric growth curves, made simple sun by adding each year the commitments corresponding to what was granted on this phase, and you will understand very quickly!

To suppose the rest is to be a fool! It was not bearable, sustainable, financeable, call it what you like. I am talking about users!

- on the other hand, pure opportunists, whose subsidiaries EdF, but not only, would make a fortune! It was not far from the traders! Especially, that soon, the price of the panels began to decline (not because of this success, which weighs down on the world level, but of an explosion in other spays, including China! And a fierce competition of pordices Chinese, which has but failed famous German manufacturers, 2 000 dismissals at a manufacturer whose name 'escapes'!

I know (indirectly suelemnt) the farmer who made a lot of noise by installing 4 ha panels in Alsace (in the epoch, the largest French project): he does not know what to do with his cash!

Are we for such opportunists to make gold balls ?

[I say that knowing that our 1er project falls into this category: the panels finance the entire depreciation of the agricultural building in question, including the roof; as a result, the agricultural production it houses is done without any depreciation charge!]

If we are not for "the golden balls", on the backs of consumers, let's stop bitching against a system overhaul, which was necessary!

[another thing is the border line passage of the EdF subsidiary which profited from a kind of insider trading; but when denouncing an abuse, be careful not to denounce the necessary flattening ; just ask that it be done neatly, which is not the same!)

b) Leave in the Figaro the title of dfénedre EF. The CSPE is not managed by EdF, but by the Caisse de Dépôt et Consignation. It is collected by EdF.

Indeed, EdF is "compensated" for the losses incurred due to the fact that the electricity is bought at around 60 cts and resold 8 or 9 ... while the nucleiare at a cost price of around 5 ...

And that's normal.

That Figaro sees the difficulties of EdF in the delays of some payments, well, it will not overpower anyone ...

But this is not the subject, do not let us distract!

EdF loses a fortune in some subsidiaries, in an EPR that will cost 3 or 4 or 5 billion more than expected ... The rest, it is a smoke eran not to say that Proglio has planted in his choices.

c) Finally, with the new rates, the particular installation is still profitable (with almost 40 cts, for less than 3kWc, exempt from taxation, small tax credit ...). We will realize our new professional project with less than 27 cts of euros, and will succeed in making it profitable; full financing on loan!

So again, stop bullshit!

So if the French does not invest more, I see only the following reasons:

- many do not have the means and other worries!

- those who do not have one, well they dream Porsche Cayenne and bilogic swimming pools and other consumptions ...

- banks lend for lots of bullshit, but hardly for that

- The French are calves (De Galle, but a little true, many find 15 000 euros for a new car while the old one was still working, or many other things of the same kind and accabit n is not a big word); finally, let's be realistic, the French want the nuclear (unless the power plant is in their garden!) ...

The rest is bullshit!

And to finish my self-criticism: it is 3 years that I think to realize my own roof to be in agreement with my ideas developed here and there (thus here too). It's not done yet. Fatigue ... So you can fall on me and you fuck off my face: you'll be right! But thank you, a number of beautiful talkers, do like me: your self-criticism.

It was my mouth on Sunday morning!
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by Regismu » 25/03/12, 15:40

Well done Did67

but it would be necessary to refine ...

Obviously, it was necessary to do something ... it is the state that sets rules ... and who must foresee ... the problem is the brutality and especially the retroactivity of the laws which has done harm. but especially when you know (and see the inaugurations of projects that have passed through the moratorium. with the same beneficiaries ... while some much smaller individuals have left their companies there ...

we must also put the photovoltaics in the right place in the CSPE and publish the figures of those who benefit ...

at the last poll 75% did not want nuclear : Mrgreen:
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by Remundo » 25/03/12, 16:03

it's fun, because 75% is also the share of the atom in the French electricity mix, and also the part of the CSPE Arrow photovoltaic for productions of EDF Energies Nouvelles.

We can quibble over the%, but this figure of 3 / 4 is irresistible. 8)
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by Did67 » 25/03/12, 16:16

Regismu wrote:
but it would be necessary to refine ...

the problem is the brutality and especially the retroactivity of the laws that hurt ...

... while some much smaller individuals have left their companies there ...

we must also put the photovoltaics in the right place in the CSPE and publish the figures of those who benefit ...

at the last poll 75% did not want nuclear: mrgreen:


1) Like any jerk, he was in reaction to what preceded. And not an objective synthesis. Otherwise, it would not have been a joke, but a summary at the moment t!

So of course, you have to refine.

2) I agree, this is a last-minute reaction,
with almost "retroactive" texts, which is against the law. Hence the dispute over the moratorium.

We can therefore challenge the legitimacy of the violence of the brake. I did it elsewhere, in its time. In what preceded, it is rather the brake that was questioned.

3) The particliers who have left their skin, must see too.

To my knowledge, they are those who thought they had found the vein not of gold but "of gold balls.

Those who had made even 600 sqm panels still draw the fruits predictable today.

Those who had created companies installing or even manufacturing panels, with annual growth rates of 3 figures (turnover, number of employees) were quite ignorant of some basic rules of the economy.

Sorry. Even if I am for photovoltaics, and they too, we were not for the same reason! [There too, I know a personal case of a company created ex nihilo - from scratch - and who had 2 years later, more than 100 employees; today, it is on the verge of bankruptcy actually; I find it quite normal and ... predictable! Those who like me also work for a salary almost stable, it would have been sacred cons!

3) I know the figures (actlets) of the CSPE, where photovoltaics do not weigh much yet.

Resume what I wrote: if we had continued with the subsidy to 60 ents for individuals / 47 I believe for the inviters, and a growth of installed pharanoinic siurfaces, all this added years after years would soon become unbearable. [I'm not saying it's today.]

In addition, the other uses of the CSPE, again related to the public electricity service (equalization, cogeneration, rural electrification ... etc) will not disarray. So the exponential growth of the solar would be added!

And there too, it would have taken a day:

- be retroactively less generous, which in law is impossible

- either charge subscribers, with an explosive growth CSPE, becoming the main part of the bill! It would have been a very very bad promotion of solar!

Let's be clear, this would have been a disguised subsidy to EdF's subsidiaries [which were a little slow to react, but which would come in force with projects in terms of tens and hundreds of ha; a hunt for unprofitable farms was open for that!]. What would we have written here against that !!!

4) 75% against the nucleiare but 90% to berate against any change in the CSPE or the price of energy and ... 1 on 10 000 of those who put 15 000 euros in a new car to put 13 000 euros in a photovoltaic roof ???? [these last figures are invented]

I spend my time "preaching" the go ahead (with the contradiction mentioned above); "you won't lose money" (you won't make a fortune either!). In the private sector, apart from "professional" projects, I know only one person who has done it.

No no, much too simple, your 75%. It all depends on the question. "Are you against nuclear power?" perhaps ?

It's like "Are you against cancer?" 97% of yes. But who eats well? How many smokers stop smoking? Etc .. [it's made up]

I am not cruel or mysogine. Just a little "old" ... a little "con" therefore a little "old con".
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by Regismu » 25/03/12, 16:24

: Mrgreen: continue like this so ... it's very good ..

you say that you fought .. at first ... did you mean that you gave up? : Cry: there are still some companies with pelin order books that have remained on the floor .. more than 15000 employees who are unemployed .. without anyone speaking or polemic the top ... : Cry:

soon we will come to photovoltaic by necessity .. not to buy a very expensive kWh ..

but before the moratorium, the tariff reduction was already planned ... and the moratorium will only have served to plant the "smallest" and not those who blew up the "bubble". : Cry:
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