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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by plasmanu » 16/11/23, 13:31

€200 per year for 3000W peak, is that before the €100 subscription?
It's pathetic for an investment of €20000.
It's certain that at the time we had good redemption conditions and €50 of subscription to deduct but we paid dearly for the installation with €9000 of tax credit to deduct.
I edited the invoice this morning and we had more than good weather in Ardèche this year (I took 36° in the swimming pool: that's one chlorine pebble every 2 days for 10m³)
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by sicetaitsimple » 16/11/23, 18:01

Remundo wrote:An honest proposal would be a purchase of the kWh in network parity price <36 kVA,

Why would it be honest?
Do you want to appropriate the remuneration of RTE and Enedis?
You produce energy, its "honest" remuneration is that of the energy (the kWh injected), not that of the energy transported, distributed.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by Remundo » 16/11/23, 19:15

go take care of the wholesale market at 500 €/MWh (i.e. 50 c€/kWh of nucleogazocarbon) before getting angry at a few cents/kWh from small clean energy producers.

A price below network parity is indecent, easy to understand, EDF or another supplier takes your kWh at 10 and resells it at 15 or 20 without providing anything concrete.

Even though small producers are also drawers and contribute both as producers and drawers to the costs of maintenance and transport of electricity. You will look at your bills, there are taxes and “contributions” all over the place.

Furthermore, solar electricity is produced locally and requires relatively few lines in terms of power and length. Lines which are already installed and depreciated for the most part.

Finally, and this is my case, on one of my installations, I personally financed a network extension in the village, financing at a loss since it is owned by Enedis... but the day another customer asks for three-phase or several houses to connect, they will come and piggyback on it (18 kVA line, maybe even more) without giving a damn about my contribution.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 16/11/23, 19:34

(We found Abbé Pierre from the electricity network!)
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by sicetaitsimple » 16/11/23, 20:15

Remundo wrote:go take care of the wholesale market at 500 €/MWh (i.e. 50 c€/kWh of nucleogazocarbon) before getting angry at a few cents/kWh from small clean energy producers.

If you don't mind, I'm talking about energy sold at €500/600 per MWh to EDF for 20 years while EDF painfully resold it for around 50.
This is not a criticism, it was all legal. But who paid the difference to fatten the wise annuitant Remundo (and many others), it was the French consumer, including the most modest, via the CSPE and its suite.
In short, you seem to me to be very poorly placed to come and give lessons on "the right purchase price" post-purchase obligation
The rest of your post is just bullshit.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by Remundo » 16/11/23, 22:14

The retail price for individuals has been over €100/MWh for a long time, not 50!! Error of factor 2 to 3, even 4... a straw.

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I currently sell clean electricity with contracts at €300/MWh while the wholesale market for polluting electricity is 2 to 3 times more expensive.

For example...

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The CSPE that you constantly ridicule represents around 16% of electricity taxes

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And Solar OA within the CSPE only represents around 1/3

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You are just obsessed with the obligation to purchase the very first contracts, but these first contracts allowed a PV market to emerge and to have nowadays panels at less than 0,5 €/Wp then at the At the time they cost €6/Wc. These very interesting contracts, intended to bring out small private producers, but also SMEs of European PV panels and inverters, had finally been swallowed up in large part by EdF Energies Nouvelles under the management of Paris Mouratouglou, who was quick to to buy Chinese panels at a knockdown price with French subsidies behind...

It is even more profitable today to invest in PV than in the years 2000-2010 because the kWh Price / Wc Price ratio is better now. In 2009, my first installation, we had 0.60 €/kWh / 6€/Wp = 0.1

Nowadays we have 0.2 €/kWh / 0.5€/Wp = 0,25

Today we recover 2,5 times more money per € invested in solar panels than in 2010. The price of network parity has become sufficient in itself, without subsidies, to make solar PV profitable. This is why I also describe this price as fair.

As usual you shine with your acidic, jealous and unfounded reproaches and your arrogance in judging who is well placed or badly placed based on your little whims. And the people who come to support you are mainly motivated by the feeling of "cornering me" for the benefit of numbers, while like you, they bring absolutely nothing competent or quantified to the debate.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by sicetaitsimple » 17/11/23, 12:22

Remundo wrote:The retail price for individuals has been over €100/MWh for a long time, not 50!! Error of factor 2 to 3, even 4... a straw.

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As long as you continue to deliberately confuse the price of energy (the kWh injected) with the price of the kWh transported, distributed, there is actually no risk of convergence.
As for the “solar” part of the CSPE, with €2544 million in 2019, it is not “a straw”. A little over €40 per French person.
With that, I stop.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by Remundo » 17/11/23, 12:32

good idea, stop,

and if you have a moment, you will count what the 20 billion euros of EPR + 5 billion euros of totally lost Uramin cost per French person. I believe that no kWh came out of it, which has the advantage of avoiding financing the transport of electricity.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by phil59 » 17/11/23, 22:04

izentrop wrote:
phil59 wrote:If someone buys me 208€ net, my productio, I prefer not to resell anything, and to use everything (a good part with a "router", which will heat the water of a cumulus for free, more than 200€ per year , even as 2 people)
more than 1000 kWh, you better insulate it.


Why?

1000 kWh is a “quantity” of annual production, and not 1000 kW instantaneously.
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Re: Purchase of solar energy




by Martine24 » 28/11/23, 21:56

From what I know on this subject, we can resell all the electricity to an energy supplier such as EDF Obligation d'Achat, with 20-year contracts. However, this possibility requires the installation of solar panels by a qualified RGE professional to be possible. I hope this will be useful to you.
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