Photovoltaic installation price EDF ENR justified?

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by Christophe » 21/03/13, 11:08

elephant wrote:that said, € 4 integrated, it's not too bad: we manage to reach € 3 in installation reported in Belgium.


I think the same, since this roughly corresponds to € 150 / m² of tiles removed and waterproofing redone (since 1m² of solar panel = about 150 Wp)

Finally it is even a (very) good price integrated (when we know the price of stainless steel and labor in France ...)
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by elephant » 21/03/13, 11:14

Stainless steel? Great luxury there! We don't rather do this in zinc?
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by Did67 » 21/03/13, 11:52

To my knowledge, aluminum in general; the systems generally offer panels + suitable aluminum rails supporting AND sealing ...
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by Did67 » 21/03/13, 12:07

charline wrote:it is 100% German because otherwise we cannot benefit from the current 10% increase on the purchase of the elec


No. What is decisive, from the point of view of geographic space, is the European Union.

A German or French or Belgian brand which has products made in any European country, will benefit from this 10% bonus (or 5% if a game is made in this space).

See the decree: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTex ... rieLien=id
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by Did67 » 21/03/13, 12:08

Christophe wrote:Ah yes the famous new law of NKM?
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No. NKM takes care of electoral panels in Paris !!!

It's Delphine Batho (because we don't say DB and even less BD!).
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by elephant » 21/03/13, 12:18

Here, hold, astonishing.

To my knowledge we are not as protectionist in Belgium ...

It's "European" protectionism, but it's still better than letting it come from anywhere.
In Belgium, there is only the need for safety and performance certificates: (IEC 61215 for panels attesting to their performance, VDE 0261-1 for the inverter)
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by Did67 » 21/03/13, 12:29

The legality had been questioned, but apparently it passed.

It was impossible to "reserve" for a French manufacture (contrary to the dogma of free movement of men and goods within the European economic area).

This has not been done in France, but nothing prevents China from appealing to the WTO ... But it will take time ... And then we will send each other back full of dirty linen!

This poses, from another angle, the eternal debate between "economic liberalism" and "regulated economy" or "protectionism" (European).

I admit that this is rather a good measure if we want to reindustrialize Europe! And therefore, I regret that other countries do not follow this path!
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by charline » 21/03/13, 13:58

thanks for your advices.
I sent this day the withdrawal form to EDF ENNR, the 30 year warranty is too expensive paid !!
My craftsman sends me the estimate at € 11500 except that unlike EDF ENR there are no connection fees included.
I await the SOREGIES quote for this. For a recent house I hope a reasonable price !!
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by Did67 » 21/03/13, 14:21

Still count between 1 and 000 euros!

A good, serious and reliable source: http://www.photovoltaique.info/Couts-d- ... ement.html
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by Did67 » 21/03/13, 17:28

FYI, Chinese companies are also starting to experience bankruptcy (according to the website of the newspaper Le Monde):

On the global playing field of competition between industrialists, the misfortune of some is supposed to make the happiness of others. After the massacre that affected European and American manufacturers of solar panels, the hour of revenge would have struck with the bankruptcy, Wednesday, March 20, of the Chinese giant Suntech.
Long the world number one in solar energy, listed on the New York Stock Exchange, the Chinese group is crumbling today in debts and its main production subsidiary is in default. Seeing finally burst the solar bubble fueled for years by Beijing, with subsidized loans and subsidies, is good news. But that will not raise from the ashes the French industry which has lost several thousand jobs in two years, nor the German one, marked by the bankruptcy in 2012 of Q-Cells, the ex-number one European bought since by the Korean Hanwha. The United States also counts their businesses fallen into this big mess.

Like its peers, Suntech profited, during the period of exponential growth of the world solar market, from the "EPO" of state capitalism practiced in China. This group, whose boss fired this week was said to have been nicknamed the "king of the sun" because of his glory, took advantage of the tap opened by public banks at the request of Beijing. Like Icarus, Suntech always had to climb higher. In fact, Chinese manufacturers, after the others, have conquered some 80% of the global solar panel market.

The problem with state support, in Beijing as in Paris, is that it has, like drugs, limited effects. It is enough to even reduce the dose to cause a crisis in the subject. Worse, it is the perverse effects of EPO which, even in the event of successful withdrawal, leave consequences which can reduce life expectancy.

It turns out that Beijing has decided to end the party. Eight public banks have decided to cut supplies to Suntech in default on a maturity of 540 million dollars (418 million euros). These securities had been issued from a subsidiary in the Cayman Islands, mainly to American investors. Because as long as the EPO takes effect, the sponsors are not very attentive ...

But beware, the story did not stop at Icarus. If China has chosen to stop its blind support, there is nothing to indicate that it intends to abandon this sector. On the contrary. The solar companies are on the carpet, the market, it remains promising. EPO is over, make way for strategy i
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