The real prices and costs of photovoltaic solar panels in China

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The real prices and costs of photovoltaic solar panels in China




by Christophe » 07/09/11, 12:05

World article (paper) / Les Echos of August 20, 2011 on the prices and costs (quotations) of solar PV from China and the current evolution compared to changes in energy policies and the crisis:

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According to the 2 curves, we are roughly at 0.9 € / Wp from China ...

When a French (or other European) company charges you another 6, 7 or 8 € HT per WC for Chinese panels (90% of the market) ... you know by how much you are "bloated" ...

Edit flat: when I say "swell" it is not only by the company but by the system in place (the company only takes advantage of what we offer it ...)

In integration for 3 kWp, the current price of PV should no longer exceed 4 to 5 € HT (it was the price in Belgium asked for non-integrated in 2009) ... only here it is easy to inflate price for putting state aid and subsidies in the pocket ... as long as the customer seems satisfied ...

The information on Solar Millenium is disappointing (leaving aside the concentration for solar PV) ... but business is business ...
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by Christophe » 07/09/11, 12:08

Finally the forecast for this curve was good: https://www.econologie.com/forums/evolution- ... t5504.html

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..except that on the ground, in Europe, we are not there yet ...
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by bernardd » 07/09/11, 18:19

The prices I saw are between 1.15 and 1.18 $ / Wp delivered in a European port, by pallet and without negotiation.

Either less than 0,85 € / Wp ... We approach complete equipment at less than 1 € / Wp or less than 40 € per MWh.

The most important thing is that we have now fallen below the official price of nuclear power in France, which however does not include subsidies or insurance.
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by bernardd » 07/09/11, 18:28

From https://www.econologie.com/forums/post211497.html#211497

bham wrote:Well if you are interested, I have a contact in Germany who imports Chinese panel at 250 Wp / panel, I have to ask for the price again.


Always look, we will have comparisons.

The gross power of the panel is not significant, you have to look at the power according to its surface.

For the moment, I have limited myself to 1580x808mm panels, ie 1,3m2 for 200Wp: this is the best surface yield at this price, and the 15kg panels remain easy to handle without breakage by a single person.

In addition 200Wp is good for calculations :-)

It is for large installations that professionals prefer larger panels, but they then take 300W or more directly.
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by rpsantina » 07/09/11, 18:50

For the moment, you are only talking about financial costs.

The environmental and energy impact of the silicon industry is not neutral.

Initially, the cells came from the waste of semiconductor foundries.
Given the demand, it is a full-fledged industry which, by the way, no longer has to clean up its raw material.
What is not a bad option (presence of arsenic, gallium, and other little compound Human-friendly )

The gray energy is not negligible since it takes 2 to 3 years of operation for the panels to have generated as much energy as what was used for the manufacture only of the photovoltaic cell. (CF wiki or document Etude )
If in addition, the box is made of aluminum profile, the energy chasm only increases.

To choose as primary source, I prefer the heliostat of JL Perrier, but I cheat because I have room around the house. Nevertheless, a few panels for the loads of the emergency system seem to me an ideal complement.

So this drop interests me.
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by Christophe » 07/09/11, 19:15

Exact Santina, but it is not too much the subject of this subject which concerns only the financial aspect.

On the ecological or energy return of photovoltaic solar, we have other subjects, in particular:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/solaire-ph ... t3861.html et https://www.econologie.com/forums/energie-gr ... t9297.html
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by kryxx » 07/09/11, 22:41

seen yesterday on actu-environnement, we are talking about a network parity in 2016 in France (and 2013 elsewhere of course, nuclear being the ideal and cheaper energy)
So, what are weva going to invent for 2016?
these guys remind me of the music industry versus mp3! rather than adapting (and becoming the leader in dismantling; and there is a job in view of the 7mw ​​in finistère on which they have been for 20 years) the guys brace themselves on a technology from the past !!
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by elephant » 08/09/11, 08:41

bernadd said:

The gross power of the panel is not significant, you have to look at the power according to its surface.


It depends.

If you live in a city where the roofs are small and the work expensive, you will prefer a panel with high surface efficiency.

On the other hand, if you have the surface, a low roof with easy access, as generally your wallet is not extendable, you can make a better deal with "second choice" panels.

(the cells are sorted and grouped by yield. This explains the variation in yield between the panels)
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by Did67 » 08/09/11, 09:14

kryxx wrote:
So, what are weva going to invent for 2016?
!!


Don't underestimate "these guys":

View:

http://www.areva.com/?xtor=SEC-14-GOO-[corporate_marque_exact] -S- [areva] & xts = 443197 # tab = tab3

("renewable energies" tab)

http://www.total.com/fr/groupe/nos-acti ... 00158.html

http://www.edfenr.com/



They are much more opportunistic than we think. They are not going to proselytize green, of course, but if we go towards parity, you will see! They are the ones who will skim the market, where each of us will still wonder whether gray energies or not gray ...
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by elephant » 08/09/11, 09:31

Logic:

to govern is to foresee

they are well placed to know the trends (they pay full-time academics for that), they have money; why would they miss out on this opportunity.

In addition, these technologies present opportunities for export.

Life is not beautiful? :D
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