Abuse of companies and direct sellers in solar PV

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Abuse of companies and direct sellers in solar PV




by Christophe » 14/11/10, 18:51

We are not the only "green people" to denounce the abuses of solar photovoltaic ... it feels good to feel less "alone" ...

Stop shameless canvassing for photovoltaics!

The windfall of public funding and exorbitant purchase prices for individuals of photovoltaic electricity has led to the multiplication of businesses selling at home and / or via the Internet to push individuals to "benefit" from this public windfall. These companies always present themselves in an ambiguous way, often by using the word "EDF" to inspire confidence or by declaring themselves acting within the framework of a municipal action. They systematically use the concept of clean energy as opposed to all the other ways of producing electricity so that the customer has the conviction that he has it! opportunity to make a decisive ecological gesture for the planet, in particular by fighting against global warming. Finally of course, the icing on the cake, they offer a set-up to finance most of the investment through the purchase by EDF of the electricity produced.

"Sauvons le Climat" condemns these companies which have only one objective: to take advantage for themselves of the public windfall that allows the purchase of photovoltaic electricity at a cost more than 10 times higher [1] cost of producing electricity produced from nuclear power. It is also the highest practiced tariff in the world.

These companies "forget" to tell their customers that the electricity produced by photovoltaics will represent only a very small part of the needs (photovoltaic electricity produced by the 5,4GWp planned for 2020 at the Grenelle of the environment will only represent barely 1% of needs).

They “forget” to say that this electricity is produced at the least useful periods (summer at noon).

They “forget” to say that, when consumption is at its maximum (winter around 20 p.m.), photovoltaics produce nothing and that it is therefore necessary to have in parallel adjustable means of production (gas plants generally) which contribute the greenhouse effect.

They “forget” to say that the additional cost due to the purchase of photovoltaic and wind power is the main cause of the increase in the cost of kWh, current (more than 6% over one year) and future (2020 objectives of the "Grenelle").

They "forget" to say that photovoltaic collectors are not clean energy collectors since their manufacture (in China generally, sometimes in Germany) is generally very polluting.

They “forget” to say that, contrary to popular belief, photovoltaics create few jobs in France (with the exception of jobs in construction which could be better used in the insulation of buildings, for example) since almost all sensors are imported.

They "forget" to say that the cost to the community over 20 years (duration of the EDF commitment) will represent more than 60 billion Euros which would be much more useful for other actions that would really reduce the impact of gases greenhouse effect (insulation of housing, development of heat pumps, development of electric vehicles, etc.). Part of this huge sum should also be used to develop research on the photovoltaic sensors of the future.

They “forget” to say that the explosion of this type of intermittent means of production (5,4 GW, as we have seen, or even 17 GW as predicted by the “Charpin report” if nothing is done to cap it ), combined with that of wind power (25 GW in 2020) will contribute to “peaks of production” which will weaken the national electricity network, already facing “peaks of consumption” that are difficult to absorb.

Sauvons le Climat would like to reaffirm that the massive installation of photovoltaic collectors with forced purchase of their production by EDF or a Non-Nationalized Distributor is a bad solution that is not efficient either ecologically, economically or the national equity and solidarity plan.

An asset of renewable energies often put forward by their promoters is their relocation. So why not just subsidize the self-consumed electricity produced? This solution would both reduce the bill and avoid costly destabilization of the network caused by intermittent production. "Sauvons le Climat" encourages all the happy owners of a private roof not to succumb to the sirens of unscrupulous sellers whose only objective is to earn money by deceiving them, a boon made possible by the bad decisions made by the public authorities of the country.

[1] The purchase price of € 58c / kWh for individuals is compared to the € 4c imposed (NOME law) on EDF for resale to operators of nuclear electricity.


Their site: http://sauvonsleclimat.org/new/spip/spip.php?article612

Solar and insulation comparison:
https://www.econologie.com/comparatif-en ... -3858.html

Previous debates on econology on the merits of solar photovoltaic subsidies: https://www.econologie.com/forums/ademe-erdf ... t7271.html
https://www.econologie.com/forums/l-arnaque- ... t7197.html

PV info:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/solaire-ph ... t9974.html

Forum solar PV: https://www.econologie.com/forums/photovolta ... -vf79.html
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by bernardd » 14/11/10, 19:06

What is most surprising is that such an association does not require the replacement of electric heating by direct thermal solar (thermal panels) or indirect (wood pellets and biomass).

Because it is reliable and profitable right now, for each home and at the global French level.
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by Christophe » 14/11/10, 19:07

Hey can't be perfect, we're here for that! : Mrgreen:
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by aerialcastor » 14/11/10, 19:25

It is above all an attack on photovoltaics, and not against the abuse of canvassing companies.

It makes me think of wind of anger

I'm pretty sure they're looking out for their interests, not the clients.
You would have to dig a little to see who is hiding behind.

In their pseudo argument "they forget" to say that the wood co-generation allows the production of electricity when the photovoltaic is lagging behind in winter.
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by aerialcastor » 14/11/10, 19:29

Bingo one of the partner association is sphene

another the aepn

there too arcea

We feel people concerned about the environment
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by Christophe » 14/11/10, 19:30

Hihih I knew that you would "like" ... But you know that a good "green" must be "against" systematically ...

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by aerialcastor » 14/11/10, 19:42

They are strong:

For heating1, the consumption of energy generating
CO2 comes from fuel oil (13 Mtoe / year) and gas (17 Mtoe / year).
The corresponding total CO2 emission is close to 100
Million tonnes / year which is around a quarter of emissions
CO22 French.
France producing carbon-free basic electricity
(nuclear and hydraulic) the idea is to replace it, outside of
point, oil and gas for heating.
Technically the proposal consists in adding in the circuit
water central heating systems electrical resistance
(like heating water from an electric water heater), fuel oil or
remaining gases used during peak hours.
This device - which requires a modest investment - could
be operated individually (house) or collectively (buildings)
as soon as the purchase price of electricity becomes favorable. Has a
classic off-peak / peak hours tariff system (for example
example EDF tempo tariff), could be added a
remote control of the burner and the electrical resistance by the supplier
electricity using telephone or internet lines.
“Erasable” electrical powers could be encrypted
in tens of GW, which would meet the needs of
peak consumption without resorting to electricity production
from fossil fuel.
The extent of electricity substitution for fuel oil and gas will depend
of course largely off-peak / peak hour prices that
the electricity supplier will offer to those of its customers who
will accept the principle of such a device.
CONCLUSION
The implementation of a hybrid heating system can be seen
as an economic formula for transition to heating
more widely electric which is more environmental for
countries or regions which, like France, produce their electricity
with very little CO2 emissions.


To save the climate, you need electric heating.
I think this is the first time I hear it, it is very good.
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by bernardd » 14/11/10, 20:03

aerialcastor wrote:They are strong:


Can you please add the url to your post? I do not find.

So much bad faith: you have to see it to believe that it is possible ...
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by Christophe » 14/11/10, 20:06

Do not tell me that I relayed information from a "pseudo" environmental pro nuclear association?

: Shock: : Shock: : Cry: : Cry:

Regarding the so-called impact of nuclear power on climate change, read: https://www.econologie.com/la-consommati ... -3282.html
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by dedeleco » 14/11/10, 20:10

Also apply for grants for the ssummer thermal solar heat tockage for winter that already works for at least collectively and that avoids all electricity, heat pump, fuel, oil or wood pollution, and which operates in perpetuity unlike photovoltaics with a lifespan fixed by bad weather and the UV resistance of semiconductors (20 to 30 years?), not to mention the scams of installations with leaks !!.

Obviously as this removes all distribution of heating and electricity, the lobbies are all in agreement to stifle this ecological storage method!
It exists full of trials and fruitful research and almost nothing in France !!
Le Nuclear lobby is incredibly effective and we agree with aerialcastor (and there we would benefit from the true radiation of the summer sun even in winter without PDM), until the next Chernobyl in France, inevitable sooner or later, given that men are not infallible in perpetuity, and that nuclear power supposes the opposite that never a major catastrophe will happen !!

http://www.dlsc.ca/
http://www.dlsc.ca/borehole.htm
http://www.greenershelter.org/index.php?pg=3
http://www.greenershelter.org/index.php?pg=3
http://earthshelters.com/

https://www.econologie.com/forums/post165308.html#165308
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post176761.html#176761
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_sheltering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annualized ... rmal_Solar
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post164141.html#164141
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post166155.html#166155
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