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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Ahmed » 11/06/22, 21:52

You have to see it as an evolution based on natural selection. At the start, there is a multiplicity of ways of representing the world and inhabiting it. The dissipation of energy makes the sorting (if one can say) by favoring the cultures which are distinguished in this field and which imposes their beliefs and behaviors on the other people: violence being par excellence an extreme energy dissipation. From a certain level of propagation, we can also see this in an inverse symmetrical way: the mode of operation generates the corresponding mode of thought, it is a question of coherence and reinforcement...
The different stages of religion are quite explicit in this respect and each corresponds to a specific energy quantum: at one end animism, at the other structural atheism (or custom religion, as in the USA)...
In this context, indeed, the transgression of the limits is the essential condition of systemic functioning since the role of these is to limit the extent of the modifications (therefore the quantity of energy which makes them possible).

Two more specific remarks on what you say:
— politics that tends towards indoctrination (and not liberation through collective effort)

Strictly speaking, it is not indoctrination that is in question here, but adaptation to determinisms, which also apply to leaders.
— the connection between the “market” and a pseudo “New World Order”)

world order is the market and it's not so new...

It is impossible to escape the determinisms of thermodynamics, but one must above all not draw fatalistic conclusions: it is indeed, by a conscious will to limit the energy dissipation that one can maximize it in time; in other words, we come back to my previous example of the car which can stop suddenly against an obstacle or gently dissipate its kinetic energy, this with very different consequences.
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Janic » 12/06/22, 17:58

the car which can stop suddenly against an obstacle or gently dissipate its kinetic energy, this with very different consequences.
everything depends on the proximity of the obstacle, the state of the vehicle... and the driver! : Cheesy:
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Exnihiloest » 12/06/22, 23:03

Ahmed wrote:You have to see it as an evolution based on natural selection. At the start, there is a multiplicity of ways of representing the world and inhabiting it. The dissipation of energy makes the sorting (if one can say) by favoring the cultures which are distinguished in this field and which imposes their beliefs and behaviors on the other people: violence being par excellence an extreme energy dissipation. From a certain level of propagation, we can also see this in an inverse symmetrical way: the mode of operation generates the corresponding mode of thought, it is a question of coherence and reinforcement...
The different stages of religion are quite explicit in this respect and each corresponds to a specific energy quantum: at one end animism, at the other structural atheism (or custom religion, as in the USA)...
In this context, indeed, the transgression of the limits is the essential condition of systemic functioning since the role of these is to limit the extent of the modifications (therefore the quantity of energy which makes them possible).

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It is impossible to escape the determinisms of thermodynamics, but one must above all not draw fatalistic conclusions: it is indeed, by a conscious will to limit the energy dissipation that one can maximize it in time;

The past has shown this idea to be wrong. Indeed it is not by saving coal in the 19th century that we would have "maximized it over time". It would never have been enough for the 20th. Each era discovers its sources of energy, for growing needs. Wood was the first used. Then the animal. Then coal. Then oil. Then nuclear. And each new energy does not condemn the old ones, but reduces the use of them. The future is nuclear fusion. There is no need to deprive yourself today, the future of energy is bright.

The future that you propose to us, what is it? Vegetate and stagnate rather than consider new innovations, explore new paths?
Restrict energy, but for what and how? Or rather, for nothing more to do? What purpose ?
Your post is completely pointless. Not with that you will motivate the crowds, and it is fortunate.
Or would you hide the society and the way of life that you would like for the people? Operationally, how would people live? Like the Amish?

in other words, we come back to my previous example of the car which can stop suddenly against an obstacle or gently dissipate its kinetic energy, this with very different consequences.

Epinal images and parables are to manipulate believers. You talked about religion when she's on your side.
The reality is a bit more complex and subtle, certainly not Manichean.
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Janic » 13/06/22, 08:04

12/06/22, 23:03
Ahmed wrote:
....It is impossible to escape the determinism of thermodynamics, but above all we must not draw fatalistic conclusions: it is indeed, by a conscious desire to limit energy dissipation that we can maximize it in time;


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The past has shown this idea to be wrong. Indeed it is not by saving coal in the 19th century that we would have "maximized it over time". It would never have been enough for the 20th. Each era discovers its sources of energy, for growing needs. Wood was the first used. Then the animal. Then coal. Then oil. Then nuclear. And each new energy does not condemn the old ones, but reduces the use of them. The future is nuclear fusion. There is no need to deprive yourself today, the future of energy is bright.
the present shows that this idea is distorted. Indeed, apart from the increase in the desire for individual or collective possession, it is the number of applicants that determines the volume of energy demand. Between 1 million and 67 million there is a demand multiplied by 67, for our country and much worse for others like China or India. If everyone were to provide their population with the same level of wasted energy and raw materials, the earth would not suffice in maximum ecological disaster, nor with the illusory dream of nuclear fusion within everyone's reach! We must stop fantasizing and return to the reality of this world!
The future that you propose to us, what is it? Vegetate and stagnate rather than consider new innovations, explore new paths?
all of which have worsened already fragile situations from which only pseudo innovators who enrich themselves benefit, which stifles their awareness of the well-being (and not the well-being) of populations.
Restrict energy, but for what and how? Or rather, for nothing more to do? What purpose ?
the one that it doesn't blow up in the face of the majority of the living populations on this earth, for the sole benefit of a few humans for whom it will blow up too, like the Titanic, supposedly unsinkable, which shattered against a very small ice cube!
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Christophe » 13/06/22, 10:19

When Exnihilo understands that he needs nature's (bastard) about 6 times a minute every minute and throughout his life... we will have taken a big step! Well especially him...

In the meantime, all his subjects are pure provocation... even if I happen to agree with him... let's say on 1 of his messages out of 30... : Mrgreen:
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Janic » 13/06/22, 14:02

Waiting all his subjects are pure provocation...even if I happen to agree with him...

let's say on 1 of his messages out of 30...
: Arrowu: not even possible! : Shock:
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Remundo » 13/06/22, 15:52

Exnihiloest wrote:The future is nuclear fusion. There is no need to deprive yourself today, the future of energy is bright.

A concentrate of nonsense in so few words... Only a visionary genius like Nihilo can gratify us with such observations and prospects.
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Ahmed » 13/06/22, 20:34

Remundo, you have concatenated messages which seem to attribute to me the paternity of a sentence of Tryphon... : Shock:

edit by Rémundo: citation error, I corrected, it is Nihilo the Author.
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