Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?

philosophical debates and companies.
User avatar
Exnihiloest
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3454
Registration: 21/04/15, 17:57
x 261

Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Exnihiloest » 25/05/21, 21:31

 
Return to Earth - 35 proposals. Book of :
Dominique Bourg, Gauthier Chapelle, Johann Chapoutot, Philippe Desbrosses, Xavier Ricard Lanata, Pablo Servigne and Ms. Sophie Swaton.

Measure 12 - Agriculture towards a "carbon-free agroecology" (without fossil fuels). It is urgent to set up an agricultural model with very high productivity per unit of area and low productivity per unit of work.Such agriculture will eventually require mobilizing 15 to 30% of the economically active population. (PEA), to abandon almost entirely the fossil fuel engine and to have massive use of muscle energy (animal or human).
»
https://books.google.fr/books?id=MWDuDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT23

And they started at 7 to write this debility, stamped "Ecological thought". Completely sick people.

Would anyone here really be ready to follow that kind of ideology, or are we dealing with fundamentalist green people?
0 x

User avatar
GuyGadeboisTheBack
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 4079
Registration: 10/12/20, 20:52
Location: 04
x 954

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 25/05/21, 21:49

The serfs still exist, it is even they who are exploited by "your" agricultural model. Another shitty topic that is based on a short excerpt to allow you to continue to swing your partisan and atrabilary crap.
0 x
"It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on smart things. The most serious disease of the brain is to think." (J. Rouxel)
"No ?" ©
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect" .... "There is absolutely nothing to do about the climate" .... "Nature is shit". (Exnihiloest, aka Blédina)
User avatar
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 59455
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 2401

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Christophe » 25/05/21, 22:35

It would solve unemployment and obesity! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
0 x
Ahmed
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 9993
Registration: 25/02/08, 18:54
Location: Burgundy
x 1230

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Ahmed » 26/05/21, 08:45

Guy, if we put ourselves in the shoes of Tryphon (I know, it's itchy! ... but this is only a metaphor), it should be understood that by virtue of one of the two postulates on which is based (it is the case to say it!) his "thought", freedom is absolute and unlimited as long as it "flourishes" in the Market and radically compromised outside. Hence this title "putaclic" (one more) completely in accordance with this crappy logic ...
2 x
"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
User avatar
izentrop
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 7859
Registration: 17/03/14, 23:42
Location: picardie
x 630
Contact :

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by izentrop » 26/05/21, 09:11

Christophe wrote:It would solve unemployment and obesity! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

Not sure, it will take experienced engineers to imagine and develop low-coast robotics autonomous in energy as it is in the process of taking shape.
Dominique Bourg is a visionary. : Wink:
0 x
"Details make perfection and perfection is not a detail" Leonardo da Vinci

User avatar
Exnihiloest
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3454
Registration: 21/04/15, 17:57
x 261

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Exnihiloest » 26/05/21, 18:22

 
If I understand the authors of this book correctly, they want to bring 30% of the people back to the countryside to use their muscle strength in agriculture.
It is in the logic of the fall in the standard of living aimed by the ecologists. When they will have succeeded in sufficiently lowering the general standard of living, the bourgeoisie will surely find some French people who can be forced to pick their "organic" vegetables.

I see that "moderate" environmentalists are like "moderate" Muslims: not the slightest word against the extremists on his side.
0 x
Janic
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 12608
Registration: 29/10/10, 13:27
Location: bourgogne
x 971

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Janic » 26/05/21, 18:45

Exnihiloest »26/05/21, 18:22
If I understand the authors of this book correctly, they want to bring 30% of the people back to the countryside to use their muscle strength in agriculture.
Strangely, people with high diplomas who would earn a good living in these prisons that are the cities, and who prefer a more fulfilling life, even a lot less profitable, would be crazy (to live at last)
It is in the logic of the fall in the standard of living aimed by the ecologists. When they will have succeeded in sufficiently lowering the general standard of living, the bourgeoisie will surely find some French people to be forced to pick their "organic" vegetables.
Your logic is to die slowly IN the big cities of all the evils of modern life. And contrary to your negativist vision on organic, its growers and buyers are not bourgeois, but the engines of a future that does not go up in the wall.
I see that "moderate" environmentalists are like "moderate" Muslims: not the slightest word against the extremists on his side.
this is the big anti-religious bullshit. The moderates (whom you didn't even bother to listen to) raise their voices against what discredits their religion of peace and reciprocal love, and it is not by imitating the extremists that they would discredit these. " He who takes the sword will perish by the sword"
0 x
"We make science with facts, like making a house with stones: but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a pile of stones is a house" Henri Poincaré
User avatar
Exnihiloest
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3454
Registration: 21/04/15, 17:57
x 261

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Exnihiloest » 26/05/21, 21:14

Janic wrote:... Your logic is to die slowly IN the big cities of all the evils of modern life.

Absolutely.
At least 82 years old, the current life expectancy.
Because living pollution-free and dying at 30 is not really my thing.

MenCavernsEcolos.jpg
HommesCavernesEcolos.jpg (80.65 KiB) Viewed 337 times
2 x
User avatar
Flytox
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 14007
Registration: 13/02/07, 22:38
Location: Bayonne
x 643

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by Flytox » 26/05/21, 23:14

Look well, maybe since the age of the caves and in a few millennia of evolution, man has succeeded in improving a certain number of things, from all points of view ...
He also created some monsters (wild capitalism etc ...). In all this evolution we can find / select space for a world that is much more reasonable and not as caricature as the one you are proposing ...
1 x
Reason is the madness of the strongest. The reason for the less strong it is madness.
[Eugène Ionesco]
http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index. ... te&no=4132
User avatar
sen-no-sen
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 6628
Registration: 11/06/09, 13:08
Location: High Beaujolais.
x 592

Re: Return to serfdom: the path of ecology?




by sen-no-sen » 26/05/21, 23:31

Exnihiloest wrote:Absolutely.
At least 82 years old, the current life expectancy.
Because living pollution-free and dying at 30 is not really my thing.


Of course, but ending up in a nursing home in general indifference is not the best either ...

The Amish are a good example, they have one of the highest life expectancies in the world despite a relative rejection of modernity:

Longevity: why the Amish live ten years longer than the average
We knew it was a community out of time, does it also hold a secret to slow it down? This is, in any case, what seems to demonstrate the study published, Wednesday, November 15, in Science Advances, devoted to the superior longevity of Amish of Indiana, in the United States. It could be explained by a mutated gene discovered in a group from the city of Bern, according to the researchers behind this work. "This is the first human genetic mutation that is shown to have a multiple impact on the biological changes resulting from aging," Professor Douglas Vaughan, president of the Feinberg Faculty of Medicine at Northwestern University in Chicago, told AFP.

Carried out on 177 Amish aged 18 to over 85, the study showed that the 43 men and women carrying the mutation in the Serpine1 gene (responsible for a sharp reduction in the production of the PAI-1 protein) were in better health and lived on average ten years longer (85 years) than their congeners deprived of this genetic variation. As a reminder, life expectancy in the United States is 78,8 years.


https://www.lci.fr/sciences/longevite-pourquoi-les-amish-vivent-dix-ans-de-plus-que-la-moyenne-2070685.html

There are many rural societies (with low entropy) as in Okinawa, some Greek Islands, Ladakh, Mount Wudang in China where life expectancy is very high, and this despite a certain "distancing" from modernity. .
There is therefore a fair balance between technical mastery and traditional way of life. It is clear that we have largely exceeded this point (for at least 60 years in France).
If we take the school example with the Amish, we see that in addition to having a high life expectancy, the crime rate in their communities is also close to zero. counts regular mass killings ... So there is hope and something to inspire.
3 x
"Engineering is sometimes about knowing when to stop" Charles De Gaulle.


 


  • Similar topics
    Replies
    views
    Last message

Back to "Society and Philosophy"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 21 guests