Retirement ... at what age?

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by pb2488 » 23/10/10, 14:24

Christophe wrote:But we are far from the 150 MM € just for pensions,
It seems to me that no one has ever said that ...
For my part, I have always spoken of 30 billion for pensions. I'm still waiting for xaveco to find them elsewhere ... :|
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by Gébé » 23/10/10, 14:29

xaveco ** must find us well 150 MM €, the deficit is for all public accounts, we cannot dissociate retirement from the rest and abandon health, education, research, etc, etc ...


** Besides, where is this one ?? We’ve been waiting for 3 weeks .....
xaveco wrote:For the figures, I do a research as soon as I have time do not get impatient you will soon :P
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by perplex » 23/10/10, 15:15

Nice group work for the collection of figures :D

so useful to see clearly, that we will end up saying to ourselves "retirement is no longer possible at all"


For xaveco find 150 billion in 3 weeks not easy, we can understand :D
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by jlt22 » 23/10/10, 15:22

From a forum , to read to the end:



@ MontVert974 2010-10-23 14:18:29 You didn't know it? A member of my family has spent his entire career at SNCF. He was at the counter. He retired last year two months before his 55th birthday, and has 2300 euros / month, calculation made over the last 6 months. When there were strikes, he did not demonstrate, was under no obligation to picket and stayed at home. Isn't life beautiful? And do not come to tell me that there is jealousy on my part! We get along very well and are friends like pig! However, he will no longer vote on the left. Funny isn't it?
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by nonoLeRobot » 23/10/10, 15:34

Still, we still do not have the real figures of the annual cost of retirement with a history. Thank you gebe, it's already not bad, but these are only predictions including 2010 based on the year 2009 very atypical.

Well seen Christophe for taking into account the interests of the debt.

Speaking of untraceable but unrelated figures, the evolution of the number of police officers. We ask them more, each one notes more offenses, more media effect but a priori (based on the case of some cities where we have the figures) the number of police officers decreases regularly.
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by Obamot » 23/10/10, 15:48

nonoLeRobot wrote:Where do you have your retirement figures? I was struggling precisely.

For the total deficit, before 2002 it rarely exceeds 50 billion only 3 times (around 1993) and by little. Before 2002 often below 30. Since 2002 it is often above but does not exceed 65 billion in 2009 or it reached 140 billion.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dette_publ ... _la_France


Here, I wanted to wouar what that gave by comparing with the governments. While one might think that right-wing governments should be more rigorous on the financial side, we see that it is quite the opposite, no ?!

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However in 2000, there was the Nasdaq stock market crash ...

However, that does not explain the increase in public debt (in red, as a% of GDP)
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by nonoLeRobot » 23/10/10, 15:53

Ah yeah not bad.

Indeed it kills the received idea. However, you should know that there are sometimes long-term effects.
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by Obamot » 23/10/10, 15:59

Yeap! Another observation, we see that the debt explosion coincides perfectly with the first Gulf War (1990) and the second (Afghanistan / Iraq) in 2001. The conflicts do not help ... Curious anyway!
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by nonoLeRobot » 23/10/10, 16:13

Yeah and there it is a more global bp (not or little linked to government). Besides, it fits extremely well with the theories of Jancovicy who says among other things that an increase in the price of oil corresponds to an increase in unemployment 3 years later.

http://www.manicore.com/documentation/p ... nomie.html

So visionary (first version in 2005) that it can be said that the sharp rise in the price of oil in 2007 heralds a sharp rise in unemployment in 2010. Keeps funny ...

Oil production growth graph and global growth:

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by Gébé » 23/10/10, 16:25

I also believe that the variations of these great equilibria (or imbalances : Lol: ) have causes essentially linked to international economic conditions, governments have little influence on them individually. What it would be interesting to watch is if some people do better or more badly than others during the same periods but I am not going to look because the subject is pensions and here we are moving away from it. little it seems to me : Wink:

PS: excellent your nono link
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