Evolution of thought systems, myths and beliefs in history.

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by Ahmed » 07/01/22, 09:44

The existence of god cannot be proven, because if it were the case, we would simultaneously affirm his non-divinity: existence is a limit, but god is unlimited ... 8)
At the same time, and I probably join Janic On this point, the belief is universally held, whether in claimed form or implicitly. This is due to our inability to understand everything that makes up the universe due to the limitation of our intellectual capacities. As a result, with regard to what we can understand, we are reduced to making assumptions that fill the remaining void. This is the only way to achieve a coherent global vision to regulate our actions. This obviously presupposes the ability to change this collective pattern; this is often where the shoe pinches, for there is an unfortunate tendency to reify beliefs which form into so many domains of Ising who strive to confirm their views by eliminating rival memes.
This is also the reason why various opinions will not be able to converge through a "reasonable" debate, contrary to what rhetorical speeches affirm, because there is no absolutely reasonable belief, only more reasonable than others.
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by humus » 07/01/22, 09:53

Janic wrote: Their only common point is to believe because it is anchored in the culture of peoples, including those who say or pretend not to believe. : roll:

It is especially easier, less headache to believe in God or to believe that there is nothing.
Few seriously and honestly explore the subject.

I myself am at the limit of thought : Oops: : roll:
I want to go beyond thought with the help of thought : Lol: Fun, no?
just to signify the difficulty that we inflict on ourselves ...
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by Rajqawee » 07/01/22, 10:01

Belief is a characteristic that is probably selected in our evolution because it allows us to function in a world where we do not understand everything. Like being endowed with reflection, if we could not believe (and therefore, if we had to prove absolutely everything permanently), we would be long extinct.

It is therefore a kind of psychic diversion, perfectly useful moreover: it allows us to remain functional.
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by Ahmed » 07/01/22, 10:31

Rajqawee, you are quite right, the philosophical skepticism which is a formulation of unbelief is an absurdity which can only exist at the cost of incredible rhetorical contortions. The suspension of the judgment is equivalent to the suspension of the action, action to which we are however forced ...
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by Rajqawee » 07/01/22, 10:42

Yes, and if we want to go further, so to continue in philosophy, belief is not only useful but can even be desirable: it allows us to be freed from certain questions, potentially insoluble and distressing (death, origin, meaning, infinity ...). To believe in something "unprovable" therefore allows, in short, to stop thinking and "go around in circles".


The Stoics have an interesting and different approach to the question of death (death is not thought of, the other said), namely that its presence in nature is an indicator of its necessity. We should therefore not only accept it as it is, but also rejoice in it (as we rejoice in having two hands or a taste). In short, death, like any other trait, is useful for our functioning. If the process of living has given us a lifespan of this order, it is because it is .... the best solution :)
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by sen-no-sen » 07/01/22, 12:14

Rajqawee wrote:Belief is a characteristic that is probably selected in our evolution because it allows us to function in a world where we do not understand everything. Like being endowed with reflection, if we could not believe (and therefore, if we had to prove absolutely everything permanently), we would be long extinct.

It is therefore a kind of psychic diversion, perfectly useful moreover: it allows us to remain functional.


Beliefs are indeed a characteristic to be related to the evolution of our brain and its architecture in superimposed layers (allocortex / neocortex).
Its last allow us at the same time to have capacities of memorization, reflection and extrapolation, superimposing inside a mental theater, past, present and future.Our reflective consciousness allows us, like a projector, to illuminate the different scenes of this space and to literally walk through time.
This extraordinary capacity (probably present in other animals such as the elephant for example) necessarily induces the appearance of the metaphysical questioning: where do we come from, where are we? and Where are we going?
Faced with such existential questions, the cultures in attendance offer a panel of interpretations modeled on the interactions between humans and their ecosystems. It is for this reason that the first prehistoric societies venerated beings in relation to the elements of nature according to a fractal logic (animal spirit, forest spirit, Great spirit) etc ... God (in the singular) only appears at the end of the course in history as a unifying thought resulting from the necessary coalescence of large humans.

Metaphysically speaking, the existence or non-existence of a "being" as a god has absolutely no meaning in both cases, it is moreover for this reason that the Sioux spoke of "Great mystery", that is to say of an impassable border for knowledge.
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by Janic » 07/01/22, 12:54

Metaphysically speaking, the existence or non-existence of a "being" as a god has absolutely no meaning in both cases, it is moreover for this reason that the Sioux spoke of "Great mystery", that is to say ofan insurmountable frontier for knowledge.

Only if we consider this one-way "knowledge" of human (or even more) towards what these humans call god, but not the other way around. For example, our computers do not have knowledge of their users, but the designers of those users have the knowledge to design and use them.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 07/01/22, 13:29

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by Janic » 07/01/22, 13:50

humus »07/01/22, 10:53
Janic wrote:
Their only common point is to believe because it is anchored in the culture of peoples, including those who say or pretend not to believe. : roll:
It is especially easier, less headache to believe in God or to believe that there is nothing.
Few seriously and honestly explore the subject.
On the contrary, not asking yourself questions, which are fundamental, is much simpler, and even simplifying, than asking yourself questions (even partially insoluble). If some had not asked themselves the question of the roundness of the earth, of heliocentrism; we would still be at the flat earth and the earth at the center of the universe which are in the visible.

PS: I was not thinking only of believing in a religious discourse, but well on a daily basis, and on many subjects like vaccine or not vaccine, each one in believes what he wants to believe!.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 07/01/22, 13:55

You can also free yourself from all belief by asking yourself a single question and answering it: For me, God is "what"?
It took more than 40 years to find my answer. But today all that mess is no longer a problem.
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