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by Christophe » 05/12/15, 11:50

A small subject to be raised for the occasion: https://www.econologie.com/forums/strategie- ... 10016.html
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by sen-no-sen » 05/12/15, 12:14

Excellent reference to fight club! : Lol:
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by Obamot » 05/12/15, 14:58

I do a little "up" story that it does not fall into "forgetting" of the previous page.

Christophe wrote:Did you see the government notice published yesterday ???

I find this quite unhealthy.

I agree:
- tell people to know "what to do";
- be informed of "how to operate / react" because this can also help to help overcome his / her fear / s;
- who to contact and how to inform without being found;
But it proves that (and it has been for a long time) that citizens have become incapable of thinking for themselves (already so much they no longer believe in politics and the system for a long time).

Once again, this pseudo-socialist government misses the boat.

I totally disagree:
- the hypocrisy of taking this as a kind of fatality, when the authorities know the truth.
- the fact that the authorities live in total denial.
- the fact that this suggests that America is making a success of having put Europe's head in a bag and stigmatizing;
- the fact that it furiously feels an intensification of the war with probably the sending of troops on the ground to further wet the Europeans in their dirty Judeo-wasps manipulations;
- not to have insisted on political questions (since Hollande prides himself on doing so ...) to put in the foreground the question of the requirement of a Palestinian State, which is one of the core of the problem.
- to have therefore evaded the real questions, such as Ukraine in particular (still beside the political question plate) in short to have zapped on the real fundamental questions (and that does not take the path with the American election targeted).
- to have no medium and long term vision.
- the fact that unless the two-headed monster Daesh-Al Qaeda was really out of control (which we can be sure it is not the case since the current situation is wanted) it would be very possible for them to reverse the trend in the same way. This whole situation has only one goal, to weaken Europe.
This is where the biggest manipulation is still.

So for prevention, much more effective than this document: think about what the next blow will be!

Because it is above all better to know where this will happen and then do the scenarios accordingly! Otherwise people will soon take "life jackets" to take the bus ...

And since we will know that it will be with weapons or explosives and other chemical means:
When will the sale of weapons and detonators be banned;
When will their transport be prohibited with very severe penalties for those who transgress these measures;
When will the chemicals used to make bombs (or products subject to purchase authorization) be locked up?
When will the immediate quarantine of all the refugees in camps be made?
When will the jihadist networks rise to the main sponsors (who are to be sought elsewhere than in Syria or Iraq);
When will the common and unconditional denunciation of European states of American policy.
(Etc.)

Christophe wrote:Otherwise here it is: http://www.gouvernement.fr/reagir-attaque-terroriste

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Christophe wrote:Well, it is clearly modeled on the bataclan attacks !! Even the scene of the poor girl (pregnant from what has been said) hanging from a window has been resumed ...

Also, but I find it very modeled on the measures of the 70s to protect people from an atomic attack.

Christophe wrote:All of this plays on fear strategy (prepare for the next in fear!) ...

That is certain, it is even the aim of the exercise to "regain control" in the suburbs and restore "is afraid of the gendarme" (in fact there, the nice gendarme against the bad guy ... etc)

Christophe wrote:Even if it means being shot, why not try to disarm the terrorists? Well I know it's a little big mouth to say it like that but still ...

Rather, there is a need to demilitarize politics, which means that citizens will want to demilitarize society by the same route.
But in fact, why are the security services in public places not armed? To see if the measure would be proportionate, one would have to be able to assess the level of threat. Except for the moment the level of threat comes from governments and their policies (a height ...!)

Christophe wrote:According to some bataclan testimonies: certain words were put between the terrorists and their relatives to take the bullets in their place! In this case there as much to try a desperate action ... and can be saving for a larger number ???

I saw these remarkable heroic situations (to the point that I did not think it was possible today ...) so the scope of this document is after all very limited, which is why I find these measures quite silly which do 'have the sole purpose of siting the current situation in a sort of fatalism (while the laxity of governments for decades is mainly in question as well as the trivialization of cultural values ​​which has caused people to lose their bearings).
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by chatelot16 » 05/12/15, 18:54

I find that giving advice on what to do in such a case is a good thing ...

are these tips useless for those who are smart enough to already know what to do? I find it pretentious to say that we don't need advice

the advice is not orders to apply stupidly, it can make you think, and better to think before, than not knowing how to do the day or ... also hoping that it will never be used

some of this advice is not obvious if we do not say it: the kind do not run towards the police ... but go calmly so as not to be taken for attackers

mute your phone, so that it does not ring when we hide ... mute the ringer and the vibrator without stopping the phone it would be nice but how many people can save it? especially in a panic situation

call 17 when we have managed to take shelter ... it's a shame to have to wait to take shelter, the faster we call them the faster they will come ... I have been thinking about that since these attack: you would have to put an "emergency" application on your phone, click on it and it blocks the phone so that it no longer rings, it sends a message to 17 it transmits the GPS coordinates and it transmits the sound permanently: the force of order we therefore have a way to listen to what is happening

such an application would be useful not only for terrorism but also for witnesses of aggression ... difficult to call 17 in front of the aggressor ... launch the application for help and the cops hear everything!

the 17 is not necessarily able to receive this kind of thing, it could be invented another number, but whatever the number since it will be an automatic application that does

there should be a simple way to launch this application to help: like a long press on the stop button
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by Christophe » 05/12/15, 18:59

Be careful, we didn't say it was useless! We said (well I said) that it was unhealthy!

chatelot16 wrote:some of this advice is not obvious if we do not say it: the kind do not run towards the police ... but go calmly so as not to be taken for attackers


Yes it is the only one that I retained ... and finally found "useful"!

A bit like the final scene of the excellent "We are four Lions" ... where the cops gun down the hostage and save the terrorist ...
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by Obamot » 05/12/15, 19:43

Great idea Chatelot16 the app on the other hand whoever makes the effort to post an info should not be the one toast Image

For the alert button, there is the "for"of course, but also the"salary."for example those who would provoke someone to then activate the button and then attempt to pass for the" victim "(same for recordings in conference mode, dash cams in cars or even filming people without their knowledge, it is not for nothing that it is prohibited).

Besides, nothing prevents having an emergency number as a "callback key", it does the same function, just do not hang up (and for that there is also a function, I believe on some laptops: must see if it works in "outgoing call").

Except that indeed, if we hang up it cuts everything while with your app it wouldn't cut even when hanging up, is that it?
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by Obamot » 05/12/15, 20:37

Exnihiloest wrote:I've been receiving Russian CNN by satellite [...] for years

If you're not able to tell the difference between RT and CNN it's a shame, I think everyone here would be able to.

It's not so much the fact that you can or cannot receive it by satellite from I don't know where that the fact that the concession granted by the CSA was in good and due form! Proof is once again, that outside their border, the Russians do not behave in conquered territory as some ... well, anyway.

This goes hand in hand with the fact that France no longer makes a departure from Bashar El Assad for the political transition in Syria. And clearly shows a rapprochement of France and Russia, to the chagrin of Washington! (Journal de France24 today at 20:00 p.m.)
http://www.france24.com/fr/20151205-fra ... e-hollande

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2015/12/05 ... 26472.html

http://information.tv5monde.com/en-cont ... -politique

And even from Turkey:
https://francais.rt.com/international/7 ... ssad-daesh

We are really at a turning point in this crisis, after the failure of the call of the foot of Obama who seemed to have conquered France.

Definitely, even in geopolitics you aim too high ...
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by chatelot16 » 05/12/15, 20:45

it's not my app yet since it doesn't exist yet, it's just my app idea! when it is launched it blocks the phone so that it appears completely switched off: but once the app is launched the recipient hears everything so can understand the validity of the call for help, and have GPS coordinates

I am not very good at programming ... if I try to make this app myself it will be done in 10 years ... I will give the idea on forum Android specialist, and let it be done by those who know how to do it

it's a 2 stage rocket ... you have to start by making an app that works well, towards an ordinary private number ... then you will need to set up an official number managed by the state to receive this kind of call

I have no intention of earning money with this idea ... if someone wants to put it into practice faster than I do, don't hesitate!
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by TheLag » 06/12/15, 20:52

If the Islamic State exists, it is the fault of our governments ... And they know it very well !!

When you live in a small quiet village in Syria, you have lost your family, your property, because of the bombardments from the West, you have no means of communication with outside life, except the jihadists who come to you and tell you they have the "solution" ... What would you do? Do you think that the men and women who joined ISIS all had their asses, that they lived well?

We must look at the real enemy ... Our good old French state kills millions of innocent people every day, directly and indirectly! And this global policy where profit counts more than humans, billions !!!
3/4 of the world's inhabitants are in shit ... Let's restore equality and everything will already be much better!

And if you believe that bombing the Islamic State will change something, or weaken them ... hahaha !! Because you think that the jihadists all live among themselves, entrenched in a camp in the depths of the desert? No, they are the villages, the cities, with other civilians ... And it is them that you bomb!

Valls was right when he said he would have to get used to living with the fear of attacks, but he knows very well why! So yes, get used to it, it is only the result of their wars! And the more there will be bombing, the more there will be attacks, the more there will be liberticide and useless laws against terrorism!

State of emergency ... Because you think a guy is going to be farted in the middle of a demonstration anti-ecological system? It will bring him nothing, even the government will be proud of him!
By cons, when you shop in the heart of Paris, in full Christmas preparations, there yes it interests him! Happy children, happy women and men ... He only wants that!


Look where evil really comes from ... These men in suits and ties who govern us, they are the biggest terrorists!

May peace crush all this bullshit ...
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