Paris attacks of November 13 ... where are we going?

philosophical debates and companies.
SixK
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 667
Registration: 15/03/05, 13:48
x 270




by SixK » 14/11/15, 08:16

"It's Holland's fault, he doesn't have to intervene in Syria"

I hope that when we vote, people will not forget that this whole mess started because of an irresponsible, no bigger than Holland, who for vague stories of hidden funding blew up the guy (also abject it was) that held an entire region known for its instability.

SixK
0 x
Optimists invented airplanes, parachutes pessimistic. George Bernard Shaw.
Thought personal, I understand better why the big bosses invented the golden parachute.
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28416
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5426




by Obamot » 14/11/15, 08:44

And yes, moreover here is what said Donald Trump presidential candidate, I think that says a lot:

Donald Trump said and perhaps wrote:the world would be better with Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi

http://www.lapresse.ca/international/et ... adhafi.php

Of course there is no question of sharing his political opinions on my side, but from the mouth of a "Ultra-conservator. "that has an unexpected background of truth in view of the circumstances!

And besides what Denis says makes me think of it: Muslims are Semites as much as Jews, anti-Semitism does not mean much! From there, any hatred against Muslims would also be considered anti-Semitism! Totally insane. Also none of these attacks will succeed in convincing the smallest believer to change religion on the basis of the crimes perpetrated.
So what good can it do if they had in mind to pursue a strategic goal? : roll:

It can be noted that the tactics and methods have not changed, there is still no question of implementing strategies to capture living attackers. Bitter failure of the police, however it seems that they managed to intervene very quickly given the circumstances, the time and place, the carnage could have been much greater.
0 x
Toxic more than ever: GuyGadebois
User avatar
Remundo
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 15407
Registration: 15/10/07, 16:05
Location: Clermont Ferrand
x 4903




by Remundo » 14/11/15, 09:10

A day or two ago, great self-satisfaction with the State services which "foiled the preparation of a knife attack against a military barracks" ...

We would laugh if it was not as dramatic ...

I remember wishing for the ban on demonstrations in support of "Je suis Charlie" because I was extremely afraid of this scenario of maximum risk which would have caused carnage with hundreds of deaths among the demonstrators.

It finally happened randomly in the street and a theater, the terrorists were simply not sufficiently coordinated or opportunistic at the time.

As a rather zealous NATO country, we also pay for a highly criticizable policy of morbid, systematic and illegitimate interference in Muslim countries.

It is even surprising that these violent street attacks did not take place sooner.

Unfortunately, one can reasonably think that it will not be the last episode, nor perhaps the most deadly.

Currently, cohorts of refugees are sweeping through Europe and among them are hiding some jihadists, some of whom are back on "their land", who will be able to ally with "the locals" who remained there.

@+
0 x
Image
Janic
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 19198
Registration: 29/10/10, 13:27
Location: bourgogne
x 3488




by Janic » 14/11/15, 09:20

hello denis
the Islamists are in power
Not the but of .

obamot hello
And besides what Denis also says, Muslims are Semites as much as Jews, anti-Semitism does not mean much! From there, hatred against Muslims would also be anti-Semitism! Totally insane. Also none of these attacks will succeed in convincing the smallest believer to change religion on the basis of the crimes perpetrated.

This is not surprising! The majority of people who talk about these subjects ignore their historical foundations (which you only have to read in a dictionary or any other serious historical source).
The Semites are considered to be the descendants of Shem, son of Noah (which would extend the Semites well beyond the Mediterranean basin). This Semitism was used as a racist argument against the blacks in America because, according to the religious bon ton (sic) the other son that Noah “cursed” would have been black (the third yellow to “explain” the various races known on this page. land) and therefore father of all subsequent generations justifying this slavery. (All the pretexts are good for self-justification as for all these attacks and violence with a political goal and not at all religious in the noble sense of the term.)
This is also why some people use so-called sacred texts, in order to twist the meaning to their advantage (believing as unbeliever, because it is white cap / white cap, to use the formula)
“Cham father of Canaan lives the nudity of his father…. Noah awakened from his intoxication says: "cursed be Canaan that he is the slave of the slaves of his brothers" An exegesis of the text would take us too far, But we see here how one text can be used to self-justify acts of violence, terrorism, pretending to be more and better than the other.
0 x
"We make science with facts, like making a house with stones: but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a pile of stones is a house" Henri Poincaré
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28416
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5426




by Obamot » 14/11/15, 10:07

Correction: 70 killed in Bataclan and not 80 or 100 (total number on the whole unchanged: 120).

Michel Beuret, journalist corresponding to Paris wrote:According to the first witnesses, the 2 terrorists at Bataclan were unmasked. They fired after shouting "Allah Akbar" and "for Syria"

Curious mixture of cowardice and "courage" (if you can still call it that). Cowardice to get screwed, no more worry about coming after the misdeeds and killing innocent people is not the least of cowardice, mixed with a kind of "courage" that is more unconsciousness, to conduct such operations and commit the irreparable! It must be their indoctrination which makes them lose the ball, if indeed they have had notion of human values ​​before (as for the alibi of the alleged spiritual values ​​defended, hatred has replaced them for a long time) ?! It's crazy what certain individuals can be manipulated! Staggering.

At the Stade de France, the explosions can be heard during the broadcast of the match on television:
http://www.yenisafak.com/video-galeri/b ... di-2066824
0 x
Toxic more than ever: GuyGadebois
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28416
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5426




by Obamot » 14/11/15, 11:22

Extract from François Hollande's speech (borrowing duplicity or is he completely stupid?):

The President of the Republic said at 1:16 (and maybe) wrote:[...] "it's a terrible ordeal which once again assaults us, we know where she comes from, who these criminals are " [...]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmulOOZShpE

Aha, céki "we"... and céki"here"? : Shock:
If they know "here»No need for investigation? (The President appointed Daesh.)

The President of the Republic said (and perhaps) wrote:[...] "planned from the outside with internal help" [...]


NB: balance sheet weighs 128 dead.
0 x
Toxic more than ever: GuyGadebois
User avatar
Remundo
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 15407
Registration: 15/10/07, 16:05
Location: Clermont Ferrand
x 4903




by Remundo » 14/11/15, 11:50

It is quite obvious that we are being retaliated against our military and diplomatic actions in the Middle East ...

The President is very embarrassed, for sure: our foreign policy is a programmed disaster ... Sarkozy in his time had launched the flight forward in a beautiful way. Hollande only follows the line of the Atlanticist block with the same zeal.
0 x
Image
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28416
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5426




by Obamot » 14/11/15, 12:13

Also to be compared with the previous day, the execution by missiles, simultaneously by two Jihadi John combat drones >>> ?

According to journalist Didier François, his former hostage wrote:"He was targeted because he had become one of the main responsible for the recruitment of jihadists in Europe"


- Ok, so it was a full time job for him then ... to raise an army of tens of thousands of men! And at the same time bring the refugees back to Europe (since it is the same sector.)

- And he would have needed gigantic financial means that this idiot could not have!

- It would also have taken incredible logistics to clear a path for jihadists across Europe, as borders were largely closed to neighboring destinations and customs officials had suspects and potential candidates for it. exile to the eye ...

- He would also have needed infallible means of communication to contact these people (for those who have lived in these countries and know the difficulties there of internet connections: it is just impossible to achieve without "a benevolent big brother" who does miracles to make these horrible things possible, Blackwater >>> for example? Well, what has become of them? ACADEMI is their new name, the Academy of Terror?)

- it would also have taken him several lives, one to fight in what they mistakenly call jihad. Another to coordinate. And a third to do some background research. And yet another for the creation of> 40 ISIS jihadist sites (yes no comma error, forty thousand and more ...)

All this is pipeau, flute, fife, picolo but in any case not reality.
It's brainwashing to keep us from thinking about the real causes, the central cause!
Last edited by Obamot the 14 / 11 / 15, 12: 20, 1 edited once.
0 x
Toxic more than ever: GuyGadebois
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 77903
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 10499




by Christophe » 14/11/15, 12:17

Yes Remundo except that Russia, which bombs a lot more, has not suffered this kind of massive attack ... (is the FSB so much more effective than the DGSI?)

And it is indeed the help of the interior which is intolerable!

We are never immune to external attacks but internal aid can change everything in the course of operations ... and for Charly it was indeed French ...

The problem is that in France, it has become difficult to say that we are proud to be French (even Christian, yet the religion in the majority) without being treated as a racist! It is a problem of make of the French company and it is serious in my opinion ...

This unlike in Belgium where saying that we are proud to be Belgian is more than common, even “compulsory”!

I think we have to thank SOS Racisme and all those assholes ... who ended up destroy French identity and national pride ...

I hope I am wrong !!

ps: I just heard that there was a Belgian registration, Belgium is the 1st country in Europe that "sends" Jihadists to Syria ... IS ...
0 x
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28416
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5426




by Obamot » 14/11/15, 13:05

0800 40 60 05 free information number, particularly for the families of the victims.

According to Gauthier Rybinsky of France24, the state of emergency decree allows to muzzle the press !!

So possibly be careful to publish your sources well for 12 days here (still, we can never be careful enough ...)

7 attackers blew themselves up.
IS claimed responsibility for the attack.

The emergency services did a wonderful job last night, a field hospital was set up as well as improvised aid stations.

Apart from the horror of the facts, among the most shocking images, recalcitrant citizens and taking part in the police by saying "that they were useless"are embarked manu militari.

The attackers were very young, they were in their twenties ...

As for the words of Holland: no comment.
But that does not come out of this ambiguous situation with the instrumentalization of people, of whom we do not speak. Bizarre?

A contact would have been identified in Germany (subject) source RTS newspaper at 13:45 p.m. today.

According to the same newspaper, threats on social networks have become increasingly pressing in recent months (such as the photo of a burning Eiffel Tower), until a suspect arrested about a month ago, who when he had been questioned about the possible targets of future attacks, said "a rock concert "... (said Xavier Colin)
0 x
Toxic more than ever: GuyGadebois

 


  • Similar topics
    Replies
    views
    Last message

Back to "Society and Philosophy"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 122 guests