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by Janic » 22/11/15, 17:51

and I am the president of the French republic, what do I say the governor of the world! I believe in it and my act of faith is enough for me to be! Who would believe it? Direct to the insane asylum! : Cry:
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by Obamot » 23/11/15, 08:25

T'inkiet you won't go. There are especially those who are "freely": claiming supererogatory truth about others, completely supremacist.

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Exnihiloest wrote:Well yes: the fact that they claim this faith is the demonstration of the link. Whether the faith is sincere, imagined, or falsely affirmed does not change this link.
Still full of tips and digressions to get things out of context [...]

The point is that as long as some people are interested in these groups it will be enough to legitimize them and fall into the trap. It's not an open door, it's a precipice.
and I am the president of the French republic, what do I say the governor of the world! I believe in it and my act of faith is enough for me to be! Who would believe it? Direct to the insane asylum! : Cry:

Yes, still a drift via underlying and implicit fallacy and the art of generalities: all in the same basket!

Great classic of amalgam among some atheists, not differentiating: exercise of faith for the common good VS its diversion.
Barely if they tolerate in others, their freedom to think by distinguishing only annoyances ...

And after self-sustaining the infernal spiral: 1) rejection, 2) head injury related to the feeling of rejection, 3) possible reaction of violence, then again 1) rejection and so on ... 2) .. 3) ...

How to achieve Inner Peace!
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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/15, 10:51

Obamot wrote:... these attackers [] therefore have nothing of the slightest connection that one could connect to a "religious faith" within the meaning of "religare", or elevation of the spirit for the purpose of communion and tolerance ...

Not only is this statement formally false, since the "assailants" (= the bloodthirsty scoundrels) themselves claim this gold faith. faith being intimate, one cannot deny them if they affirm it, but this assertion is fallacious in restricting the "religious faith“to an“ elevation of the spirit for the purpose of communion and tolerance. ”This utopian idea is propagated by believers themselves, pretentious who self-celebrate by imagining that they have a higher morality by their faith, while 'none of their practices demonstrate it except exceptionally in rare individuals.
Faith is not an elevation of the spirit for the purpose of communion and tolerance. It is the need to believe in its usefulness on earth by responding slavishly to a role that you give yourself but that you pretend it is assigned by a supernatural power, God, therefore a role that becomes superior, and the conviction that by answering it, we will acquire happiness and the eternity of its existence after death.
Faith is therefore the result of a selfish visceral need. Faith no more than sincerity guarantees the validity of its object, which can be laudable as well as despicable. It is neither a goal nor a morality nor a philosophy nor an "elevation" but an irrational psychological way through which one can do anything without having to be accountable, and with the best good conscience even when it is necessary. It is about killing, because it is in the name of god.
Bloodthirsty villains, by killing while shouting Allah Akbar, simply express their faith.
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by Obamot » 23/11/15, 11:13

1) Being unholy is your strictest right, but do not defame in any way on a subject that you do not know de facto (see your choice).

2) Not incompatible example: one can be assailant on a forum + super-troll at the same time and / or to strive to answer "à côté".

3) If you have such big problems with comprehension, you should be kekchoz: but not against me who is not your shrink thank you ..!

insults ad hominem, non seqitur and other fallacies against his classmates VS good and judicious questions but HS, obviously a better one but full of confusion. Bad week alas Ex_ 3/10
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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/15, 11:40

Obamot wrote:...
3) If you have such big problems with understanding ...

: Lol: projection...
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by Obamot » 23/11/15, 11:43

Bad faith! I correct your note: 2/10

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by Christophe » 23/11/15, 11:43

A little humor in this matter ... Jawad is strong: http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/saint-den ... 388_23.php
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by Obamot » 23/11/15, 11:46

Same idea >>> Image at the same time ! : Lol:
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by Janic » 23/11/15, 13:29

But where are they going to get it all?
Not only is this assertion formally false, since the "assailants" (= the bloodthirsty scoundrels) themselves claim this faith, or faith being intimate, we cannot deny them if they affirm it,
Until then it is acceptable, the nature of any faith is very intimate and everyone is entitled to assert it. (under the laws of the host country)
but this assertion is fallacious in restricting "religious faith" to "elevation of the spirit for the purpose of communion and tolerance".
There is no religious faith, but simply faith, which anyone experiences daily: faith in his future, faith in his loved ones, faith in his unbelief or belief, etc.
This utopian idea is propagated by believers themselves, pretentious who self-celebrate by imagining to have a higher morality by their faith, while none of their practices demonstrate it except exceptionally in rare individuals.
Likewise, there is no higher "moral". It is "moral" or it is not. Our laws hold the same discourse (it is a photocopy) as the laws said of Moses with a few theological differences: you will not kill, you will not steal, you will respect your parents, you will not lie, etc ...
Or no one, no individual practices anything perfectly. It is the very notion of a sinner (who misses his goal). Sometimes the objective set is achieved, immediately after missed, it is our lot as humans.
Faith is not an elevation of the spirit for the purpose of communion and tolerance. It is the need to believe in its usefulness on earth by responding slavishly to a role one gives oneself but we pretend that it is assigned by a supernatural power, God, therefore a role that becomes superior, and the conviction that by responding to it, we will acquire happiness and the eternity of its existence after death.
Oh the images of Epinal!
Another erroneous perception (it would be necessary that you put yourself, at least a minimum, in a real work of exegesis rather than repeating, confessing, this kind of things)
God or not, we think we have some utility on this earth and which is not limited to a vision beyond the little time we spend on it. Do you exchange your points of view on this site without reason, just to pass the time while waiting for death or thinking of playing a particular role (that you give yourself justified or not) in terms of ideas and their practical application? And in fact is your practice free from reproaches? If so, you are already an alien. However, like each one of us, you have served, slavishly, systems which promise a future never accomplished and you still believe in it with transhumanism, but not being able to see the immediate realization of it you project your fantasy towards a beyond. .. Where is the difference?
For the supernatural power (what is it already? How does it manifest?) If you have not gone through the experience of it, it's just talking in a vacuum like for NDE!
God is not superior by an abstract, arbitrary decision, but by evidence. The day you make life appear, you can consider yourself equivalent to it. For now all have broken their teeth and it may last a long time.
Faith is therefore the result of a selfish visceral need. Faith no more than sincerity does not guarantee the merits of its object which can be as laudable as it is despicable.
This is largely true! But only in part! When an individual believes in anything: love, fortune, professional or family success, the lottery, it is automatically selfish.
It is neither a goal nor a morality nor a philosophy nor an "elevation" but an irrational psychological way through which one can do anything without having to be accountable, and with the best good conscience even when it is necessary. 'acts of killing, because it is in the name of god.
Because it is in the name that everyone chooses! We kill as well in the name of god as of the fatherland, (another abstraction and therefore the Marseillaise) of a parking space, out of despair, depressed, to satisfy his taste for edible blood, etc…
Bloodthirsty villains, by killing while shouting Allah Akbar, simply express their faith.
They repeat a mantra learned by heart! Example: freedom, equality, fraternity! or Long live France! Faith of this kind is however utopian because it has never been fully realized. Where still "long live atheism" which is only a substitute for religion too, and examples of this kind are not limiting
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by moinsdewatt » 23/11/15, 20:40

Pan over the mouth of Daesh.

The French aircraft carrier engaged against IS, ten days after the attacks

AFP 22 / 11 / 2015

........ Four Charles de Gaulle-based Rafale fighter-bombers struck ISIS in Iraq for the first time since the ship's deployment in the eastern Mediterranean, announced the Chief of the Defense Staff .

"We struck in Ramadi and Mosul in support on the ground of local forces which were advancing against troops of Daesh", acronym of the IS in Arabic, declared the general Pierre de Villiers on board the aircraft carrier.
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http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/le ... 3c0265e17b
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