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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!




by Janic » 13/07/18, 07:49

"Science is only the science of men and like them it is fallible"

No parallel is not possible.
Quite the contrary. Grelinette puts a big S to science absolutely and a little s for the science of men. But in both cases it is a question of science, that is to say of knowledge, partial when it is with a small s.
For justice, ok the rules are defined by laws which are different from one country to another or from one judge to another and effectively fallible.
all rules, all lois social are of the "scientific" type, that is to say in relation to the knowledge of the moment as the article, well done, from Wikipedia highlights, with its various nuances. You only refer to one aspect, to the detriment of the others. Gold LA Science cannot be reduced to this aspect alone, to please you!
but for science, the rules are established by facts and are invariable.
when we limit ourselves to the only aspect that you evoke, but only to that one. Although!
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Re: science, pseudoscience, make a difference




by izentrop » 13/07/18, 18:07

sen-no-sen wrote:In the case of David Bohm it is clear that his philosophical preferences were turned towards Hinduism, rather than materialism so dear to the Communists.
You have a very idealistic vision of science!
What matters to the scientific community is its contributions to advances in knowledge.
David Joseph Bohm (born December 20 1917, died October 27 1992) is an American physicist who has made significant contributions in quantum physics, theoretical physics, philosophy and neuropsychology. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
I do not see what is idealistic in there.
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by sen-no-sen » 13/07/18, 20:12

izentrop wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:In the case of David Bohm it is clear that his philosophical preferences were turned towards Hinduism, rather than materialism so dear to the Communists.
You have a very idealistic vision of science!
What matters to the scientific community is its contributions to advances in knowledge.


This is what I tried to explain further upstream ... : roll:

I do not see what is idealistic in there.


It appears that you have not really studied the subject ...
When we talk about'idealism in the context of epistemology, reference is made to an interpretation of the real, namely the primacy of the mind over matter, i.e. the antagonistic position of materialism.
We mainly refer to its terms in the context of quantum physics, in particular via questions like these:Is the outside world independent of the observer?
Finally n can very well be scientific, Christian, and defend a materialist position, similarly one can be an atheist and have an idealist position ... this kind of conception of reality is therefore not necessarily linked to a religious affiliation.
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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!




by izentrop » 14/07/18, 00:25

sen-no-sen wrote:What matters to the scientific community is its contributions to advances in knowledge.

This is what I tried to explain further upstream ...
I'm having trouble understanding, sorry.
sen-no-sen wrote:I do not see what is idealistic in there.

It appears that you have not really studied the subject ...
When one speaks of idealism in the context of epistemology, reference is made to an interpretation of reality, namely the primacy of the spirit over matter, that is to say the antagonistic position of materialism.
We mainly refer to its terms in the context of quantum physics, in particular via questions like these: Is the outside world independent of the observer?
Wow! Quantum physics and philosophy are areas where the science / pseudoscience border is the hardest to determine.
See the debates between Max Planck and Ernst Mach
Music, as beautiful as it is, is only a vibration of air, heat a form of movement and light nothing other than an alternation of electric and magnetic field.
It speaks to me
"Does a tree falling in the forest make noise if no one is there to hear it?" The answer that the fall of the tree makes noise, even in the absence of an observer, contradicted the axiom of Mach's philosophy
Talk to me less :?:
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by Janic » 17/07/18, 16:00

Wow! Quantum physics and philosophy are areas where the science / pseudoscience border is the hardest to determine.
See the debates between Max Planck and Ernst Mach
the debate between these two scientists is not pseudo science, but interpretation of the different aspects covered by the word science and therefore a philosophical debate beyond the materialism of some scientists. WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT TALKS TO YOU LESS! :(
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by Obamot » 13/04/21, 16:44

izentrop wrote:What matters to the scientific community is its contributions to advances in knowledge.
That's why you kept pissing off scientists, no matter what they were, but mostly because their work contradicted what you think dogmatically. um ... It's zero dots, eh.

Basically you're a guy completely lost in his contradictions, that's certainly why you lack so much discernment - you are totally incapable of correctly sorting the information that reaches you and of synthesizing it - it took all your life people tell you what to think, like Pedro, moreover you have this common point of regularly posting copied / pasted without substantive reflection: not easy ...!
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 13/04/21, 18:02

izentrop wrote:The problem is, he was openly a Communist at a time when the Americans were hunting him.

The argument "club" but "boomerang" that you screw in the face! It is totally stupid to form such a sentence! It's crazy to read this kind of nonsense. Can't a fascist be a good scientist any more than a communist or a person who believes in God? Really you hurt more and more Izy.
And to give us a link to your zetetic fundamentalist sites ... You don't feel the "ball"? :(
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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 13/04/21, 18:05

izentrop wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:Music, as beautiful as it is, is only a vibration of air, heat a form of movement and light nothing other than an alternation of electric and magnetic field.
It speaks to me
"Does a tree falling in the forest make noise if no one is there to hear it?" The answer that the fall of the tree makes noise, even in the absence of an observer, contradicted the axiom of Mach's philosophy
Talk to me less :?:

That's why you should confine yourself to what you master and not come and talk about the dialogues between "knowing" (Max Planck and Ernst Mach) to declare immediately after that you understand that damn it. Do you see her the second "ball"?
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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!




by ABC2019 » 13/04/21, 18:15

izentrop wrote:Wow! Quantum physics and philosophy are areas where the science / pseudoscience border is the hardest to determine.
See the debates between Max Planck and Ernst Mach

the problem is that to speak a little intelligently about quantum physics, it is necessary to have well understood its principles, which is almost impossible except for professional physicists (or then philosophers with a solid scientific training). This was obviously the case with Max Planck and Ernst Mach, but it is far from being the case in general. And when one understands it well, it is certain that there is undeniably a problem in the concept of "reality" and that one is led to conclude that the observed world is not the real world.

To try to keep it simple, quantum mechanics allows you to calculate with great precision the probability that after making an observation A, you make another observation B (and it works very well), but it forbids you to interpret your observations like discovering a real state of the world, and don't really give you any information about what the real state of the world is. From there to conclude that the world only exists in the idea that you have it, there is only one step that some do not hesitate to take ...
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Re: Science, pseudoscience, make the difference!




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 13/04/21, 18:37

ABC2019 wrote: the world only exists in the idea that you have, there is only one step that some do not hesitate to take ...

"In" or "by"?
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