The "Blob": monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast

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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by Janic » 22/06/17, 12:21

We are more into spontaneous generation to characterize life.
Obviously when we cannot answer we do a pirouette to hide our ignorance.
For the first time, researchers show that ribose, a sugar that is the basis of the genetic material of living organisms, was able to form in cometary ice.
All living organisms on Earth, as well as viruses, have a genetic heritage made up of nucleic acids - DNA or RNA2. RNA, considered to be more primitive, would have been one of the first molecules characteristic of life to appear on Earth. Scientists have long wondered about the origin of these biological molecules. According to some, the Earth would have been "seeded" by comets or asteroids containing the basic bricks necessary for their construction. And indeed, several amino acids (constituents of proteins) and nitrogenous bases (one of the constituents of nucleic acids) have already been found in meteorites, as well as in artificial comets, reproduced in the laboratory. But ribose, the other key constituent of RNA, had never been detected in extraterrestrial material, nor produced in the laboratory under "astrophysical" conditions ... http://www2.cnrs.fr/presse/communique/4497.htm

There is a fundamental difference between a and could between has been and would have been. This is the difference between the amino acids of Miller, and those found in RNA, DNA for example. One is deprived of life, the other participates in all its complexity of connection to life.
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by izentrop » 22/06/17, 13:33

Janic wrote:http://www2.cnrs.fr/presse/communique/4497.htm
There is a fundamental difference between a and could between has been and would have been. This is the difference between the amino acids of Miller, and those found in RNA, DNA for example. One is deprived of life, the other participates in all its complexity of connection to life.
Of course it is conditional, but the bundle of presumptions is very large and religious hypotheses are completely defeated.

Miller's experience was only one step in understanding the origin of life https://sciencetonnante.wordpress.com/2 ... de-la-vie/

According to you, at what level a "creator" could (could have) intervened?
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by Janic » 22/06/17, 16:44

Of course it is conditional, but the range of presumptions is very large
Many sources of presumption have led to the death sentences of the innocent. Presumption and proof are not synonyms.
A sage said in substance " that we only find an answer in the direction we are looking for, not elsewhere ". “To automatically eliminate any other place, for philosophical, cultural or other reasons, cannot lead to recognition of this elsewhere. Already in distant times, there was a conflict of ideas between the original soup and panspermia, which automatically eliminated any other solution. For example an aviation design office, will never discover the submarine, except to change paradigm and for some it is impossible, as the conditioning is deeply rooted.

and religious assumptions are completely defeated.

They are no more battered than any conviction can be. To believe in omnipotent science, is differentiated in nothing but to believe in an all powerful god, It is just to replace a word by another that is to say the form not the bottom. We replace the word sweeper by surface technician, and therefore the shape, but the job is always to sweep.
Miller's experience was only one step in understanding the origin of life https://sciencetonnante.wordpress.com/2 ... of life/

No luck, she made a big flop in that direction, for very simple reasons which depend on the fact that a lab cannot never reproduce complex phenomena. If I take a magnet and place iron filings on a sheet, it will appear a schedule of this filings from where the Eureka, but it will not work with copper filings for example. Miller succeeded in having the constituent bodies of amino acids assembled, he even brought up other unknowns, and it stopped there.
For the author of the article, he uses, too, messy conditionals. In short, he doesn't know, either!

In addition, life poses a funny chicken and egg problem for us: knowing that the genetic code makes it possible to synthesize proteins, but that proteins are essential for the replication of the genetic code, which of the two came first?

Although simplified to the extreme, this question remains intact with regard to evolutionism and it is not ready to find a satisfactory answer. Believing in evolution is also an act of "religious" faith. Now if you hold the key to the chicken and egg mystery you will interest more than one!
According to you, at what level a "creator" could (could have) intervened?

Ask yourself the question differently! When you are not yet able to climb a simple ladder, there is no point in playing astronauts.
So BA, BA is to define the word itself!
http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/cr%C3%A9ateur
that leaves a choice and not only in the religious field of course.
I particularly like this one: Who begets, who gives birth. Speaking of woman.
Thus the author of a painting is a creator, in the human way, since if it starts from a white sheet, (the paintings, brushes already exist,) but the idea arises on the white sheet: is he creative or not?
So much for the letter A.

NB: christophe put an end to the exchanges on evolution and this topic is not the place devoted to it.
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by Exnihiloest » 22/06/17, 18:30

Janic wrote:...
In addition, life poses a funny chicken and egg problem for us: knowing that the genetic code makes it possible to synthesize proteins, but that proteins are essential for the replication of the genetic code, which of the two came first?

Inept question, the fact that neither of them arrived as is and at the same time!

... Believing in evolution is also an act of "religious" faith.

False.
"An assertion is said to be refutable if it is possible to record an observation or to conduct an experiment which, if it were positive, would contradict this assertion."
Evolution is a scientific theory because it is a refutable theory. It has not been refuted, only clarified, it is knowledge logically derived from observing the world.
On the contrary, creationism is not a theory but an act of faith because irrefutable.

It is a leitmotif among believers and other followers of esotericism to try to make us believe that belief and knowledge would be interchangeable. Because they are well aware that their cat porridge is so inconsistent that they can never demonstrate it, and that it is easier for them to use this same cat porridge, the sophisticated quibble , to try to discredit the real theories from real knowledge or to pass their delusional fancies for knowledge among neophites. This is the strategy shamelessly used by their proselytism, with the side effect that they reinforce themselves in their illusions by this method which also takes that of Coué.

Ask yourself the question differently! When you are not yet able to climb a simple ladder, there is no point in playing astronauts.

And to Beethoven who was deaf, you would have written to him "useless to play the musicians" ?!
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by Janic » 22/06/17, 18:52

Janic wrote: ...

No janic did not write, he quoted from a blog indicated by Izentrop!
So it's up to him to respond!
In addition, life poses a funny chicken and egg problem for us: knowing that the genetic code makes it possible to synthesize proteins, but that proteins are essential for the replication of the genetic code, which of the two came first?
Inept question, the fact that neither of them arrived as is and at the same time!

Great, finally someone who will tell us how it happened!
... Believing in evolution is also an act of "religious" faith.

False.
"A statement is said to be refutable if it is possible to record an observation or conduct an experiment which, if positive, would contradict that statement."
Evolution is a scientific theory because it is a refutable theory. It has not been refuted, only clarified, it is knowledge logically derived from observing the world.

False.
To be refutable, a theory must be able to be refutable. However, for the moment, all the protesters are either transferred from key positions, or ridiculed under pretension false of creationism as you do, here or for A vs H.
On the contrary, creationism is not a theory but an act of faith because irrefutable.

Creationism is a simple observation that evolution is not capable of giving a coherent and verifiable explanation of the appearance of life. So if it is not chance, we must propose another hypothesis much more credible, even not verifiable according to the criteria retained by the evolutionary caste.
Ask yourself the question differently! When you are not yet able to climb a simple ladder, there is no point in playing astronauts.

And to Beethoven who was deaf, you would have written to him "useless to play the musicians" ?!

Beethoven was not born deaf, nor blind, and without hands. He gradually compensated for his hearing loss with his other senses, when HIM had already become an astronaut in his field.
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by izentrop » 22/06/17, 23:28

Janic wrote:... the difference between Miller's amino acids and those found in RNA, DNA for example. One is deprived of life, the other participates in all its complexity of connection to life.
You wrote that ...
The inert molecule becomes dynamic within a more complex molecular system, provided the conditions are met. It took a good billion years for life to become more complex to reach the cyanobacteria that produced oxygen.

File - The chemical conditions necessary for life http://www.podcastscience.fm/dossiers/2 ... -a-la-vie/
A story of the origin of the living http://www.podcastscience.fm/dossiers/2 ... -vivant-1/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-LUpdAsRM
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by Janic » 23/06/17, 05:53

janic wrote: ... the difference between the amino acids of Miller, and those found in RNA, DNA for example. One is deprived of life, the other participates in all its complexity of connection to life.

You wrote that ...
The inert molecule becomes dynamic within a more complex molecular system, as long as the conditions are met..


These are simple hypotheses, presuppositions, reread and listen to their speech: " was easier than today "(Without proof of course)
It took a good billion years for life to become more complex to reach the cyanobacteria that produced oxygen
do not believe everything that is said, in the surprise covers. Mathematically, it is impossible that such a short duration could have allowed this complexification.
File - The chemical conditions necessary for life http://www.podcastscience.fm/dossiers/2 ... -to the life/
A story of the origin of the living http://www.podcastscience.fm/dossiers/2 ... -living-1 /
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-LUpdAsRM

So repeat endlessly that these are only hypotheses and only hypotheses: why not ?! But hypotheses are not facts and even less proofs and one cannot reproach others for what one does even, on a purely scientific level. Now you and your alter ego present bloggers contradicting each other with on the one hand those who admit their ignorance and on the other those who know ... finally who think they know! Start by harmonizing your violins and you start by reading the 216 pages which will avoid tiring repetitions.
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by izentrop » 23/06/17, 08:17

Janic wrote:"The inert molecule becomes dynamic within a more complex molecular system, provided the conditions are right."

These are simple hypotheses, presuppositions, reread and listen to their speech: "was able, simpler than today" (obviously without proof)
Everyone knows that on earth, the conditions are met ... except you!

What an energy expenditure to deny the obvious : roll:
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Re: The "Blob": a monocellular species, half fungus, half yeast




by Ahmed » 23/06/17, 12:57

I had already met this strange organism which had intrigued me a lot ... I am happy to learn its amazing peculiarities and note that many "primitive" beings are so functional that they do not need evolve significantly ... that they have preceded us in enormous proportions and that they will succeed us without qualms ... assuming a form of consciousness in them, I wonder what they could think of a fleeting species like ours? : roll:
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