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The evolution of biological species and chance ...




by Christophe » 23/11/11, 01:30

Topic on evolution of animal and plant species divided since Company-and-philosophy / end-of-world-for-2012 astronomy-and-assumptions-t10482.html

See also the debate on the extinction of dinosaurs: science-and-technology / off-the-dinosaurs-grids alive-a-800-c-t10297.html of which here are 2 videos to watch absolutely:

Issue Gray matter on the extinction of dinosaurs

Download here: https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/par ... 122010.mp4

And another very interesting documentary on the total history of the planet Earth and its evolutions and animal and plant evolution is to see: Journey to the origins of the Earth



dedeleco wrote:Real aliens from another star, do not have a chance on a trillion trillion to have a head resembling men, even elongated, !!


Why, then? Are you a specialist in morphogenesis and evolution of anatomy?

If man is the outcome of a "long" evolution based on water, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen ... it is quite possible that this evolution could have taken similar paths elsewhere, right?

The problem is rather the factor TIME and simultaneity of the 2 evolutions so that one crosses a day which poses problem: cf paradox of Fermi!

dedeleco wrote:Unless humans, monkeys, neighboring DNA mammals are all extraterrestrials !!!


Possible too ... : Mrgreen:

There are some rather "intriguing" facts among the Sumerians ... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sum%C3%A9riens

Bah, keenly the results of the DNA tests ... which we will probably never hear about ... (especially if they are "positive") : Cheesy:
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by dedeleco » 23/11/11, 02:17

It's heavy, 696Mo, like the story of life on earth, different from one star to another in the universe.

If man is the outcome of a "long" evolution based on water, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen ... it is quite possible that this evolution could have taken similar paths elsewhere, right?

is totally contradicted by the history of the evolution of multicellular beings, since 600 millions of years, which shows that chance conditions our evolution, too much so that another world on another star is not totally different, s 'it gives beings as intelligent as we are, (very low probability, like the million years on 3 at 4 billions of years of life on earth), they will be able to resemble fish, insects (outer carapace), lizards, dinosaurs, varied monkeys very unlikely, etc.

So it's an incredible egocentrism and unscientific to believe that the extraterrestrials of another distant star with life could resemble us at this point!

Otherwise the probability of existing at the same time is very small (million 13 billions of years) but very compensated by the huge number of stars in the universe, but at distances over thousands of light years, which makes the trip almost impossible, except for a civilization ahead of us having discovered ways to travel impossible and unachievable for us!
Nevertheless, they will not look like anything at all unless they disguise themselves, but their bones will be totally different in shape and number !!
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by Janic » 23/11/11, 07:56

dedeleco hello
Nevertheless, they will not look like anything at all unless they disguise themselves, but their bones will be totally different in shape and number !!
except if it is the opposite and that the conditions of terrestrial life have modified the morphology. exple: chihuahua, labrador or boxer!
which shows that chance determines our evolution,
chance is mathematically impossible in a universe with a mathematical structure and therefore ordered. We use the word chance like other gods to "explain" the inexplicable.
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by Christophe » 23/11/11, 10:55

dedeleco wrote:is totally contradicted by the history of the evolution of multicellular beings, since 600 millions of years, which shows that chance conditions our evolution,


Pout ... not really agree !! Do you have examples to support that "chance" conditions evolution?

What conditions the evolution is the survival and thus the capacity of adaptation to its environment and this by using the least possible biological energy (to bounce back on an econological touch) ...

Evolution follows the rule of minimal energy, it is, like us, lazy : Cheesy:

If you have feet rather than wheels to move is that it is more adapted to our environment and that it consumes less energy.

If the earth were completely flat, with no relief with a smooth uniform metal surface without friction: there is a good chance that our means of transport is very different from the articulated feet used by most terrestrial terrestrial species ...

This is not "by chance"!

And as, a priori, the laws of the universe are the same everywhere: evolution follows the same rules of "good energy sense and adaptation" ...

So a planet similar to the Earth (rocky with relief and large amount of liquid water) is likely to have the same biological evolution ...

As I said: it is the time factor which is more "hazardous" ...

On the other hand, chance conditions mass extinctions, therefore evolutionary "jumps", cf. science-and-technology / off-the-dinosaurs-grids alive-a-800-c-t10297.html (until now because the one we are currently organizing with warming is anything but random)
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by dedeleco » 23/11/11, 12:22

chance is mathematically impossible in a universe with mathematical structure and therefore ordered.

is mathematically demonstrated as archifal !!!
Read all pages given by google with chaos especially in google scholar scientist: thousands of pages
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9orie_du_chaos

It is an illusion of the past due to our deceptive simple mathematics teaching which suggests that there is no chance !!
take a double pendulum (two pieces of wood connected to each other that oscillate): it is chaotic.

Our solar system is chaotic and unpredictable beyond a few million years !!

The universe is quantum, with QBits Quantumbits' mathematics, quantum computers, governing our world, with quantum decoherence, an additional source of gigantic quantum hazard in addition to chance or deterministic classical chaos !!

You do not seem to keep abreast of basic scientific knowledge, with a delay of 150 years !!

Evolution has a lot of chance performing the same function in appearance with an amazing DIY!

Do you know what our ears are doing in 300 millions of years, what Darwin knew about 150 years ago and we forget to teach ????
Do you know how the mammalian placenta was formed ??

Chance is in the mutations and reworkings of DNA, with many different variants to achieve similar functions !!
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by Janic » 23/11/11, 12:33

christophe hello
On the other hand, chance conditions mass extinctions, therefore evolutionary "jumps", cf. science-and-technology / off-the-dinosaurs-grids alive-a-800-c-t10297.html (until now because the one we are currently organizing with warming is anything but random)

hazard: unpredictable cause and often personified attributed to fortuitous events or inexplicable.
Because inexplicable, we attribute this to a fortuitous chance, but chance as symbol of disorder tending towards order (according to what criteria) does it not underline that chance does not exist?
Do you know what our ears are doing in 300 millions of years, what Darwin knew about 150 years ago and we forget to teach ????
Do you know how the mammalian placenta was formed ??
Darwin is the equivalent of Pasteur, excellent intuitions with a little science (considering the knowledge of that time) Both of them said the right things and planted themselves on other aspects. For the ear or for the eye the complexity of each one does not make it possible to evoke the evolution because any organ is dependent on the other organs including the brain.
The complexity of an organ such as the eye has often posed a problem for evolutionary theorists, starting with Charles Darwin himself: "It seems absurd to the possible, I admit, to suppose that natural selection was able to form the eye with all the inimitable arrangements that allow to adjust the focus to various distances, to admit a variable amount of light and to correct spherical and chromatic aberrations, "he wrote. Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, Discovery, 1985.
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by dedeleco » 23/11/11, 13:13

janic did not read past scientific discoveries, fossils, DNA, etc. and delays 200 years with immutable irremovable religious beliefs !!

He would do well to read the huge scientific documentation google and google scholar, scientific articles very in-depth studies, and learn the real structure of our world known today, instead of affirming peremptorily!

For the ear or for the eye the complexity of each one does not make it possible to evoke the evolution

is archifaux on the fossils and with the DNA which proves past evolution !!!
Our ear is the memory of the second articulation of crocodiles with its reused ossicles to hear in the ear !!!!!
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by highfly-addict » 23/11/11, 16:54

dedeleco wrote:janic did not read past scientific discoveries, fossils, DNA, etc. and delays 200 years with immutable irremovable religious beliefs !!
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Well, no, he's a creationist, it's very modern, on the contrary!
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by Janic » 23/11/11, 17:52

dedeleco good evening
janic did not read past scientific discoveries, fossils, DNA, etc. and delays 200 years with immutable irremovable religious beliefs !!
She was inevitable that one!
This is all the more bizarre that everyone strives more or less to question the opinion of current "specialists" on free energy or, not very long ago, plate tectonics or even speed of light, etc ... should we qualify this as average scientific convictions?
If one does not adhere to the theories (which are still theories) it is because one is a middle-aged clam frog ... "do not touch my dogma!"
It is not a question of taking refuge either in a religionism or an antireligionism, but to admit that there are many grains of sand which stop the well-oiled machine of evolutionism (not of a certain "evolution" We still have to agree on this term) The wheel of our automobile is indeed the result of a certain evolution compared to the wooden wheel, but we often confuse evolution and adaptation. The different hearing (or vision) systems clearly mark an adaptation, but not an evolution that should be explained other than by a certain resemblance.
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by dedeleco » 23/11/11, 19:20

janic plays on the words in a way not clear and religious !!!

These are not theories as he believes, but innumerable scientific facts with tens of thousands of articles and theses !!

He would do better, instead of convictions, to read the scientific facts of the past history of life on earth on 3,8 billions of years, which is not only adaptation, but has totally changed the surface of the earth over kilometers deep (carbonate rocks) !!

The oxygen we breathe is due to life, a real toxic waste of photosynthetic cyanobacteria over 2,8 billions of years, and once all the iron on the surface has been oxidized, after a gigantic glaciation (chance), accumulated allowed the multicellular life, which is not an adaptation but an evolution, with a lot of chance, which could very well have never happened and be very different !!

janic does not admit the reality of chance, but it is a real scientific observation, since the picoseconds of atomic agitations up to the age of the 13 billions of years universe !!

On the last 4 billions of years, we are lucky not to have been atomized by a nearby supernova or a meteorite too big that knocks the earth instead of grazing it, at random of this lottery!
Life has gone through lots of similar lotteries, both in DNA and cosmic.
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