The evolution of biological species and chance ...

[eclectronvolt]

There are bugs in the matrix tonight, words have flown away, it was necessary to write and therefore read:

Have you never found, or even looked for, any current spirituality that is worthwhile?

"Current spirituality" is a bit like "non-religious creationism"....how many Saints and Saintesses have produced these "current spiritualities"...

Isn't the problem your personal ability to discern what is valuable for yourself?
Is official, external and historical validation necessary to recognize what has value?
You clearly demonstrate a skill in recognizing what has no value, it is a step, perhaps we should work on the personal capacity to recognize what has value?
A dead leaf teaches...and therefore has value.
In my opinion, it involves letting go of things to get out of a mental self-lock.
How would Gautama be more valuable than a current awakened person on youtube (in general they are not only on youtube but in real life too, I anticipate easy criticism...)

[Obamot]

Yeah, that's a bit like it, his mind is focused on stigmatization, it's a bit like his "stock in trade" (I'm not talking about sen-no-sen who I trust, nor Ahmed or Janic)

I am not speaking for those who defend their ideas with a real sincere epistemology, even if not the same or shared, it remains interesting (still Sen-no-Sen, Ahmed, and in his field Janic, etc., whom I observe from afar without intervening too much...)

I hope I am not misunderstood. Ahmed made some justified remarks to me, let's try to raise the level.

I am talking about those who are parasites and have too little scientific knowledge (even limited or who have not sought to develop their knowledge, Google is no substitute for intelligence...) and who insert themselves everywhere in the debates by wanting to exercise a sort of censorship to the point that it becomes difficult to bear (end of parenthesis)

… because as soon as we scratch a little and the varnish is gone, we see that they are telling us nonsense and that they are not sincere and there is a danger here... An ideological monopolization of knowledge around a single source to which some would claim to belong by excluding others by sorts of “political” interventions… in fact not the bearer of THE policy of those who have these detestable practices, I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD SWALLOW ANYTHING… in short “they judge you based on what they “believe” to be “true” but they have the “truth” on their side” (I have been observing this for a while) it has nothing to do with personal “research” anymore. So uninteresting. Since the debate then goes on to interpersonal and ego issues. Disappointing.

I don't want to monopolize this issue, but if asked, I will elaborate modestly...

[Janic]

sen no zen

"Current spirituality" is a bit like "non-religious creationism"....how many Saints and Saintesses have produced these "current spiritualities"...

Or else;
"Current spirituality" is a bit like "religious evolutionism"....how many of their Saints and Saintesses have produced "current spiritualities"...fruits of an obsession that "self-declares itself scientific-materialist. It works just as well!

[Ahmed]

Dixit Obamot"let's try to raise the bar.
Chronicle of a disaster announced by what precedes this pious wish)...

[sicetaitsimple]

I don't want to monopolize this issue, but if asked, I will elaborate modestly...

No no, thank you!

[Obamot]

Dixit Obamot"let's try to raise the bar.
Chronicle of a disaster announced by what precedes this pious wish)...

It could possibly start by avoiding idiotic invectives as long as there is a "search" (peaceful, meaningful or whatever) in the discussion. In any case I will try with the greatest number of those who do not show gratuitous hostility or other sterile, sophistic or alibis-type reasoning just to rush into the heap.

[sen-no-sen]

Knowledge, knowledge, criticism, criticism, mental, mental but we do not feel any appetite for true spirituality*, the desire to experience God for ourselves.
*you allow yourself to have an opinion and to be critical, only critical.
It's like the lottery, if you don't play, you have little chance of winning.
Or like swimming if you don't get a little wet.

Could you enlighten me on the subject of "current spiritualities".
Could you give me some examples of this?
Names of characters, masters, conferences etc?

same for me Janic,what is the non-religious creationism? Date, authors, bibliography etc...
Thank you in advance.

[Janic]

sen no zen

Same for Janic, what is non-religious creationism? Date, authors, bibliography etc...
Thank you in advance.

Very very simple! I am not "religious" and in addition I am (I was) a creator by profession like all those who create in their field. Do you understand, finally?

Date, authors, bibliography etc...

wow, wow!

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

What does it mean to "experience God for yourself" when no one knows what it is or if it exists?

Legitimate questions, coming from the mind which will never have access to God because of incompatible natures.
The awakened ones have access to it, see with them if it really interests your mind to know everything that obstructs God in you.
Once this work of stripping is done, you will no longer ask these questions, if by chance, "That" has manifested itself.

So you rank humans... the supposedly "awakened" and the others. According to what criteria? That said, there was only one question.

[Obamot]

What does it mean to "experience God for yourself" when no one knows what it is or if it exists?

Legitimate questions, coming from the mind which will never have access to God because of incompatible natures.
The awakened ones have access to it, see with them if it really interests your mind to know everything that obstructs God in you.
Once this work of stripping is done, you will no longer ask these questions, if by chance, "That" has manifested itself.

So you rank humans... [...] According to what criteria?

That's a good one, Mr. Justice... Because you, since you turned your coat, more than two years ago, what have you been doing if not the right to judge us, to "to prioritize" without any respect???

Well, go ahead then, continue: hierarchy