The evolution of biological species and chance ...

[Janic]

02/10/24, 20:19
knot head...of wood

Perhaps we could ask ourselves the question: "For me, what is God?" and try to answer it... good luck!

bad question; there is no for me nor ofwhat's this which is no better. At most what is god which respects a neutrality between who or what, which are a priori!
So if I talk about my computer, I say what is it, and if I talk about my cat, I say who is it,

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

Pain in the ass
I ask myself the questions I want, in the terms I choose, that suit me, and I don't give a damn.

[eclectronvolt]

There are several conceptions of God and it is necessary to separate the idea of ​​the creator allowing to explain at a lower cost the existence (but which supposes therefore a greater complexity) and the functioning of the physical world and the God who represents the values ​​which bind the human species and who is therefore internalized. In short, an external God and an internal God...

It is probably very different in reality, but one can imagine a rather neutral substrate and something (God) capable of intending in this substrate.
The intention may be to order a universe from this substrate.

I want to be intentional, because all the slightly advanced awakened ones speak of Love.
But I do not see a substrate governed only by the laws of thermodynamics (necessarily attached to the temporal), generating Love and the timeless (eternity).
The opposite is no longer possible.
This is what is reported by these explorers, the awakened ones: infinite love, eternity, creative void, beyond time…

This does not explain the substrate or the intender, this is where the beings of 3D and time, admit their limits.
Explorers, the awakened ones report that this is not explainable within the framework of 3D and time.
We'll have to deal with it.

[Janic]

02/10/24, 20:31

Pain in the ass
I ask myself the questions I want, in the terms I choose, that suit me, and I don't give a damn.

what enchanting poetry! which always revolves around your lower belly as usual.
Otherwise, you wooden head. If you were addressing yourself (which WE don't care about at all) you shouldn't have written WE but I!

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

There is Love in these elements that were born from the Big Bang, rubbed shoulders and then came together through movement, in a favorable environment to finally be able to merge according to their "affinities", properties and generate life. Nothing is closer to "de facto" love than the conditions and these assemblages that have generated us.

[Janic]

02/10/24, 20:48
wooden knot head

There is Love in these elements that were born from the Big Bang, rubbed shoulders and then came together through movement and in a favorable environment to finally merge and engender life. Nothing is closer to "de facto" love than the conditions and these assemblages that engendered us.

In his derision, he is not far from reality, the joker! Thus the rape of children...sorry pedophilia, according to him, is a great manifestation of love by favorable rapprochement and merging, one into the other!

[sen-no-sen]

What seems to be emerging is that simplicity has created complexity.

This is what we actually see. And this is where the difference lies between a creationist approach, which pushes the question of complexity towards an even greater complexity, and the scientific position which starts from simplicity towards complexity.

Likewise, it seems to be emerging that God is simply what underlies life.
Complexity has the freedom to believe itself to be an individual, but from my latest information, it would seem rather that life is one and indivisible, common to the whole universe, in each thing, even in a pebble.

Pebbles are not alive. I think you are confusing consciousness and life here, which are not quite the same thing.
According to an approach based on IIT (Integrated Information Theory), there would be elements of consciousness in everything. However, it should be understood that the term consciousness must be understood here according to a scientific approach and not a new age one.
In physics consciousness is a feedback loop between a system and an information field.
We could therefore measure levels of consciousness ranging from 1 (a thermometer for example) to several billion for life forms such as mammals.

Life, for its part, is characterized by 4 properties:
1) Autocatalytic phenomena.
2) Energy dissipative structures.
3) Ability to memorize information.
4) Reproductive capacity.
I have never seen stones perform such a feat!
Note that the stars tick 3 out of 4 boxes. It is also possible that they could accommodate forms of nuclear life...

Omnipotent God would have created complexity to take care of himself...because eternity is long, especially towards the end.
and something is better than nothing.
Sorry in advance for the puritans but creation is perhaps a gigantic divine masturbation.

This is anthropomorphism... This is the problem of the use of the term god, which remains, whatever one might say about it, a concept with masculinist traits.

[Janic]

This is anthropomorphism... This is the problem of the use of the term god, which remains, whatever one might say about it, a concept with masculinist traits.

indeed it is anthropomorphism to make concrete what is only abstract. It is like comparing the emptiness of a bottle, for example, to absolute emptiness. The first we "know", the second we do not have access to! Hence all the representations that humans forge of what is not representable and which nevertheless still persists today, in and through materialism

[Ahmed]

I wouldn't be so categorical: absolute emptiness, we sometimes have a fairly precise idea of ​​it. forum!

[Janic]

ahmed

I wouldn't be so categorical: absolute emptiness, we sometimes have a fairly precise idea of ​​it. forum!

ce forum is not a scientific reference, but a succession of points of view, shared or not. Thus by technological means we obtain relative "voids" sufficient for the use we make of them, but an "absolute" void we always ignore what it is and even if it really exists, just like absolute zero or the number pi. It's like having 9 numbers out of 10 in a lottery, it's the tenth that determines whether you are a winner or a loser and, for the moment, it's the tenth that we don't have as for the appearance of life on this planet.