The evolution of biological species and chance ...

[Janic]

01/10/24, 21:09
simpleton

What is the connection between a god whose "influence" is limited to the Earth or humanity (at least that's what some say) and light years?

Everything! Who is talking about light years? Humans according to their own dimensions (reduced to the metric system currently). 300.000 kiloMETERS per second, therefore OUR space time and its supposed limits.

(at least that's what some say)

We should not give credence to some who do not know more than others who claim the opposite.

01/10/24, 21:59
ahmed

To exist presupposes a manifestation subject to entropy: to appear, to be subject to various contingencies and to die,

Existence is not limited to our physical and material notion and situation.

all things that do not affect an immanent being.

Nobody knows anything about it, "everyone sees noon at their door" according to their culture and beliefs, which are ultra-limited.

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

I just (modestly, eh, eh, eh) tried to make a "digest" of the fashionable "new cosmogonies". Nothing to do with my own experience.

Would this "digest" not be your own experience, your own experience of the fashionable "new cosmogonies"?

Not really, no. I have no experience with multiverses, spiritual entities, or past lives.

[Ahmed]

Eclectronvolt, you write: "...and not exist in the sense of having a reality
It is not a physical reality, of course, and therefore inaccessible to scientific investigation, and therefore unprovable (this is not a criticism!).

Janic, you say: "Nobody knows anything about it and yet you seem very assertive in these matters!

[Obamot]

(modestly, huh, huh, huh)

Please stop plagiarizing, thank you very much.

[Ahmed]

Strange to claim "intellectual property" of this dubious phrase...

[izentrop]

Wild predators generally prey on the weakest, while hunters kill indiscriminately, which is detrimental to the evolution of species.

Without necessarily being aware of it, hunters who roam the countryside and forests this autumn are altering the genetic heritage of the game they are targeting. In March, a team from the French Office for Biodiversity (OFB) questioned the evolutionary impact of hunting on birds. The article published in Biological Reviews opens a new field of research. While hundreds of millions of birds are killed every year worldwide, nothing is known about the long-term consequences of this indiscriminate killing. https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/archeo- ... ier_180923

[Obamot]

Strange to claim "intellectual property" of this dubious phrase...

It's strange to ask the question - I don't really care, it's just another tantrum or transgression... Because in reality, no one is going to naturally plagiarize another author in a forum, except a crazy one QED

He even spends entire nights tracking down the "likes" he gave me in the past... to take them off me pouf-pouf...
You still haven't understood that he is mentally disturbed >>> since time?
because the opposite would be surprising!

[Janic]

ahmed

Janic, you say: "Nobody knows anything about it and yet you seem very assertive in these matters!

You seem quite assertive in saying that this is what I wrote! In reality you are making Izy mixed with head of knot..of wood by isolating a small piece of sentence out of context. Which is this one:
Ahmed:

all things that do not affect an immanent being.

Janic:

NOBODY knows anything about it, "everyone sees noon at their own door" depending on its culture and beliefs, ultra-limited.

So no claim to be affirmative of anything since I include myself in those who know nothing! On the other hand, you are indeed, so you know more things than me... or the scientists I quote, by writing:all things that do not affect an immanent being.

PS: Personally, and this is just my opinion, I proceed by analogy and not by knowledge. Thus our country, like so many others too, is led by a president that, except since the event of the photo and therefore the image, I would not know personally and whose existence I could even deny by this fact. Except that, whether I like it or not, this country is indeed led by a character who decides what is good or bad for his country... in principle! And so if our country were led by chance at the whim of the wind, it would be a beautiful mess or chaos! As this does not seem to be the case and I can verify it by the administration itself of this country, I then admit a guiding principle that plays the conductor whether it is immanent or transcendent I do not care at all since I do not know him personally, but I know his action. Naive? Not realistic!

[sen-no-sen]

No more! This assumption is not necessarily taken from biblical texts, the scientists cited do not refer to it.

Janic: "quote is not worth reason".

If we put aside the quotes prior to the contemporary era specific to the deist system of thought, the rest does not seem very convincing to me.
The remark of Trinh Xuan Thuan on the fine tuning of the universe corresponds entirely to the bias cited above on the probability of seeing a pan of water spontaneously boil.
In the absence of favorable conditions, the probability of water boiling is equal to the probability of a fire breaking out in your house.
In purely theoretical conditions (i.e. imagining a closed and sealed circuit for billions of years), we would probably have to wait a period much longer than the age of the universe to observe the spontaneous boiling of water in our "super saucepan".
Yet let it be in a Geyser at Yellowstone or in your kitchen, boiling water is completely natural under the right pressure and temperature conditions.
Considering the immensity of the Universe (there are about as many stars in the observable universe as there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the Earth!), the probability of the appearance of life is entirely possible.
This is why the extraterrestrial question no longer makes many people laugh in science.
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Regarding the invisible hand in the Universe:
There is indeed a form of intelligence in the Universe, but this does not come from the god of the Bible or from some demiurge, but from the computational characteristics of our Cosmos, this is explained better and better by work in thermodynamics and information science.
Creationism is similar to conspiracy theories, which refuse to understand that the complexity of the world is the work of determinism, preferring to see it as the intervention of ultra-powerful secret societies.
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You still haven't answered the complexity argument:
You consider that life is too complex to have appeared without "intervention" if I am not mistaken, but from then on How do you explain that something even more elaborate than a creator could be at the origin?

[Ahmed]

The last sentence of Sen-no-sen"How do you explain that something even more elaborate, such that a creator could be at the origin of it?