Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"

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Re: Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"




by izentrop » 18/11/20, 01:31

Christophe wrote:Aren't the worst ultracrepidarians today journalists? How many have lectured scientists since the onset of the covid crisis? In particular with respect to Raoult!
This is certainly not the opinion of Etienne Klein who is a scientist.

People want to be reassured. They would rather believe a charismatic man who claims to have the solution, rather than the more cautious scientists who wait for the results of randomized studies to decide.
Especially when the president goes to meet him, a parliamentary mayor praises him, that he is invited twice before the parliament, it has become a political affair to the detriment of science.
the French also have an opinion on the question and a majority of them (59%) believe that this antimalarial “is effective” against the coronavirus. “This belief, partly contested by Parisian experts, crystallizes a South-North divide. It is indeed around the Marseille area, where the Institute headed by Prof. Raoult is based, that the belief is strongest. It's almost an element of regional pride, ”explains François Kraus.

He notes, in detail, that a quarter of those who share this hope also support the conspiracy thesis that the virus was made in a laboratory. “We also see that the extremes believe more than the others in the effectiveness of the treatment. But this majority cannot be reduced to that. It's not just that! This hope touches all categories of the population. From the popular classes to the most educated, ”insists the director of the political pole at Ifop.
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by Janic » 18/11/20, 09:10

Christophe wrote: Aren't the worst ultracrepidarianists journalists now? How many have taught scientists lessons since the onset of the covid crisis? In particular with regard to Raoult!
This is certainly not the opinion of Etienne Klein who is a scientist.
SAM, the zetetist, tried to trap Klein by wanting to lead him into his delirium on sects and charlatans (well other sects and charlatans than his own) Klein who knows the character replied that all scientists were necessarily charlatans insofar as they only partially knew this science and therefore all their speeches were charlatanism, including his!
And pan in the teeth of all those who recommend themselves to the term "scientific". :?
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Re: Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"




by Christophe » 18/11/20, 10:25

Decidedly I vomit more and more the zetetic ...

Why didn't they just call it asshole? At least it would have been clearer! : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by Exnihiloest » 18/11/20, 18:30

Christophe wrote:Decidedly I vomit more and more the zetetic ...

You have to know how to separate things. Between the fundamentalist zetetician who believes his reasoning rationally unstoppable because, for example, he takes a certain context for granted when there is no consensus on it, and the worst obscurantist who asserts all the time the uselessness of vaccines or the cure of cancer by carrot juice, on the basis that since we do not know everything, everything is possible, there are all the degrees in which to position oneself. Zetetics is only the application of reason to the analysis of facts, there are methods to think correctly but you have to know their limits, and the imagination of an obscurantist can also be useful, if it is able to accept that observations and facts take precedence.

The problem is only the binary mind. And the binary spirit is encouraged today because we want the simple to understand, therefore good or bad, idiots or not idiots, at all false or at all true, "vomit" or licking. Thinking is too tiring, and remaining in doubt is forbidden, skepticism has become a sin, one should have faith and strong opinions on everything. This intellectual despotism will end sooner or later with a real despotism, when the most limited will also know how to be the strongest to impose by one means or another, its unique truth.

A little moderation, please! And moderation begins with language. "Zetetic vomited", "idiots of the coronavirus ...", if it can be read from time to time in the bend of a post, when it is recurring it only signs and encourages intolerance and the absence of open-mindedness, like anything excessive.
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Re: Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"




by pedrodelavega » 18/11/20, 18:33

Janic wrote:SAM, the zetetist, tried to trick Klein
when?
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Re: Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"




by izentrop » 18/11/20, 20:04

pedrodelavega wrote:
Janic wrote:SAM, the zetetist, tried to trick Klein
when?
I also think janic is making a movie.
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by Janic » 18/11/20, 21:00

You have to know how to separate things. Between the fundamentalist zetetician who believes his reasoning rationally unstoppable because, for example, he takes a certain context for granted when there is no consensus on it,
Until then it is acceptable, well almost because who determines the type of consensus in question? According to what criteria? According to which recognized skills? and why should a Zetetician be only a fundamentalist, but a non-Zetician an obscurantist? according to what justifiable criteria, other than being yourself obscurantist. This is indeed a cult speech!
So as I pictured it by the comparison between aviation and marine: although the engineers who design these products may have the same basic training, those who design the airplanes have no marine skills, but they can reach consensus. BETWEEN THEM on THEIR products, but their products ONLY which makes sense, the same for the sailors. And you don't have to be very smart to understand it! clearly, the consensus of some has no value as consensus for others
and the worst obscurantist who asserts all the time the uselessness of vaccines or the cure of cancer by carrot juice, on the basis that since we do not know everything, everything is possible, there are all degrees of position.
This is only a position precisely typical of what is reproached to the Zetetic sect: the profound ignorance of the subjects who oppose their beliefs and which they caricature counting on ridiculing to give themselves credit, between them!
So to straighten out what you are constantly twisting. The discourse of the defenders of freedom of choice and of conscience are not anti-vaccines as your zetetic literature likes to claim. There is no question of saying that vaccines are useless (it is a matter of personal conscience like preferring carrots to leeks when others make the opposite choices.) Since we cannot say, a priori, that such and such a product will have some use or be useless, but this can be demonstrated with hindsight for a sufficiently long time with official statistics, they.
So another trial of intention of the zetetic sect of which you resume, without verification according to their habit, their speech (according to the few articles of their site on these particular subjects) and of which I have already analyzed the presuppositions and a priori
Then;Cure cancer with carrot juice ? Where did you go to sin that kind of guess; forgiveness of disinformation: source therefore!
it seems therefore that your degrees are summed up in one; position yourself flush with the daisies!
Zetetics is only the application of reason to the analysis of facts, there are methods to think correctly but you have to know their limits, and the imagination of an obscurantist can also be useful, if it is able to accept that observations and facts take precedence.

So you recognize, on your criteria above, that zetetics also tends towards obscurantism: Astonishing!
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janic wrote: SAM the zetetist tried to trick Klein
when?
I also think janic is making a movie.
No Janic only watched the video in question, HIM! So find out in the videos of the character in question what you should have already seen
Damn if only the anti-zetetic watch his videos where is the world going?
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by pedrodelavega » 18/11/20, 21:07

Janic wrote:No Janic has only watched the video in question, so look around the videos of the character in question that you should have seen before.
Damn if only the anti-zetetic watch his videos where is the world going?

That one:
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by Janic » 19/11/20, 08:04

That one:
lost! : roll: Let's go a little effort!
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Re: Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"




by Janic » 19/11/20, 08:38

I couldn't resist ending up with the beautiful prose of Exnihilist!

The problem is only the binary mind. And the binary spirit is encouraged today because we want the simple to understand, therefore good or bad, idiots or not idiots, at all false or at all true, "vomit" or licking. Thinking is too tiring, and remaining in doubt is forbidden, skepticism has become a sin, one should have faith and strong opinions on everything. This intellectual despotism will end sooner or later with a real despotism, when the most limited will also know how to be the strongest to impose by one means or another, its unique truth.

I could not have said better! But you should start by applying it to yourself and all your protest interventions show precisely your binary spirit. The A is the good, the H is the bad! Vaccinists are right, non-vaccineists are wrong! Indeed, thinking is too tiring is not it and the doubt cannot apply to yourself ?! You prefer to have a firm opinion (see the video below.) Clearly " YOUR intellectual despotism ends with a real despotism, since the most limited (you in this case) also wants to be the strongest to impose by one means or another, HIS unique truth. " Amen! 8)

health-pollution-prevention / homeopathy-efficiency-recognized-en-inde-t15067-130.html

(29'41 '')
In other words, if you are asking yourself questions about matter you are going to ask a physicist, if you are wondering about the origin of the mass from which elementary particles have acquired a mass, you are going to ask a particle physicist, it is not your butcher or someone else, in other words we have all collectively understood that science is the only approach that is the only one to answer to scientific questions.
Superb reflection from E. Klein!
Indeed, he underlines that in science it is the "specialists" of a particular subject who are the most able to answer the questions asked in their field of predilection, not to the butcher of the corner.
In other words in terms of medical specialties, it is the A specialists who are the most competent in their field, but not in another which is not within their competence, (non-existent, moreover) , as for H or other medicines for that matter. CQFD!
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