Vaccinations and health ... for or against?

[izentrop]

Notoriety has nothing to do with this matter.
Outside his area of ​​expertise, he is a disinformation specialist

His comments are easily refuted. We can for example note argument of authority, unfounded allegations, fragmentary information, ... They present facts as established or scientific whereas these same facts have been scientifically refuted (like the link between vaccines and multiple sclerosis, ...).

These are honest specialists who write it: https://www.psiram.com/fr/index.php/Hen ... cinalisme_, with many sources to support this.

[Janic]

Outside his area of ​​expertise, he is a disinformation specialist

Hey beh! It will make the world a specialist in disinformation; to start most of all who speak here!

His comments are easily refuted. We can for example note argument of authority, unfounded allegations, fragmentary information, ... They present facts as established or scientific whereas these same facts have been scientifically refuted (like the link between vaccines and multiple sclerosis, ...).

the problem is that you cannot be judge and judge at the same time. Scientifically refuted facts are refuted by the very people who live and benefit from their "refutation".

These are honest specialists who write it: https://www.psiram.com/fr/index.php/Hen ... cinalism_,

Integrate with what and who? It's like asking an atheist to give an authoritative opinion on the faith of believers

with many sources to support this.

Sources which go in their direction only (as for anyone besides!) Beyond the opinion of these specialists, there is the lived, the experience which will have more importance for the “average French "Than theoretical debates of" specialists "who congratulate themselves.

[Obamot]

Joyeux has nothing more to lose on the professional level [...] Finally, it is not anti vaccines on the contrary, but not anything and no matter how, just for the business of large labs!

I like the angle of view ... He thinks he makes a splash by saying Merry struck off. Funny isn't it?

the problem is that you cannot be judge and judge at the same time

if, if, if, there is even in this forum!
Just see the counter of my nickname "reputation»And where you sheave or you laugh So childish that I chose to laugh at it.

Integrate with what and who? It's like asking an atheist to give an authoritative opinion on the faith of believers

It is worse, after via the traditional fallacy, it becomes an "argument of authority" (whereas he has never understood anything in this matter).
But when we defend the system and we are hard-nosed we tend to psycho-block. His own references are completely biased, we no longer know how to synthesize between true and false, we no longer advance: this is the vicious circle of Peter's principle.

[izentrop]

It seems to me that there are only 2 of you here who still believe in "Saint Henry Joyeux" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Joyeux#Controverses

[Obamot]

Who is Henri Joeux? The first time in my life that I hear this name. You didn't talk about it here >>>

Questioned for his anti-vaccine petition launched in 2015, Professor Henri Happy was removed from the College of Physicians

[Janic]

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In 2015, he sparked controversy over vaccination by denouncing, in a video calling for the signing of a petition10, the prolonged shortage of DTP vaccine which forced the use of a more expensive vaccine comprising a combination of six vaccines ( said hexavalent), in particular that of hepatitis B11. However, he denies being "against vaccines".
Unless you have difficulty understanding a text, Joyeux does not declare AGAINST vaccines in general, but, according to the passage above, he deplores that the vaccine MANDATORY according to the law, is out of availability and therefore OBLIGED l use of a more expensive vaccine. Then it's the law again, alone LE compulsory vaccine involves state responsibility in case of pathology caused by the vaccine, which is not the case for hexavalent.
To take a comparison, only the traffic regulation signs posted by the equipment are valid in the eyes of insurance companies as well as the State, but not those posted by individuals whatever their possible usefulness. However, hexavalent is outlawed and cannot therefore be taxed in place of the missing.
Finally he is "struck off" (which is an absurdity since he no longer works) concerning his title of doctor, a symbolic childishness for lack of anything better, but the order of doctors is not to be further ridiculed.

[delnoram]

"Question of vaccines: stop the fire!"

http://michel.delorgeril.info/web/quest ... lte-au-feu

[Janic]

and here we go, once again, for the flu vaccination ... useless!
some extracts below

Dr. J. Anthony Morris, virologist and former chief vaccine officer who works with the FDA, is adamant: " There is no evidence that the flu vaccine is helpful. Its manufacturers know that it is useless, but they still sell it. "

And in March 2009, we learned from Dr. Deb Brandt, of Rapid City Medical Center's Urgent Care, that out of 106 patients with seasonal flu, 50% had been vaccinated that year.

In Japan, where mass vaccination against influenza for school children was made compulsory in 1976, a program unique in the world which was to suppress any epidemic of influenza, the percentage of people affected by influenza has increased from 5 per 100 to 000 per 60. These figures show not only a complete absence of protective effect from vaccination, but rather an aggravating effect.

the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases confirmed that there is not enough evidence to know how much this vaccine can sometimes save lives, " nor even if he saves only one ».

Dr. Lone Simonsen, of George Washington University in the United States. "That the flu vaccine will save 10 times more deaths than the disease itself causes not possible They say rightly.

Dr. Jean-Michel Dubernard, renowned surgeon and member of the College of the High Authority of Health since 2008, reported that " there is no scientific evidence on the usefulness of vaccines But no one seems to have heard it.

etc ....

http://www.naturavox.fr/sante/article/v ... ste-pas-de

[Ahmed]

There is countless compelling evidence of the economic usefulness of the influenza vaccine for laboratories ...

[Janic]

There is countless compelling evidence of the economic usefulness of the influenza vaccine for laboratories.

it's the least we can say!
But it is also a demonstration of the importance of the placebo effect where it suffices that individuals influence populations by their titles, by their aura, for these same populations to want to believe in it and it works effectively. The problem rather comes from the nocebo effects which generate unwanted or recognized pathologies and which therefore shatter this dream of the expected miracle and at the same time diminishes the scope of this placebo effect.
Example: the disenchantment with the H1N1 and N5 vaccines which made a resounding flop, despite the magicians of the lab media who saw the specter of the expected drop in income appear.