Open question: when to consider that the COVID-19 pandemic is over and no longer requires special measures?

[Rajqawee]

Question in my opinion very important, never covered anywhere: the consideration that the pandemic is over and that it no longer requires specific measures to fight against it, namely, restrictive measures, whatever they are.

Yes, it is in my opinion the great absence of all these decisions. The conditions under which these restrictions apply. Who decides ?

So we have to define what allows us to measure that. I give you the orders of magnitude to discuss, in France.

The number of deaths? (reminder, 112k deaths covid for approximately 900k deaths over the same period, all causes combined)
The number of hospitalized? (reminder: 460k hospitalizations for 18 million over the same period, all causes combined)
The number of long covid? (difficult to estimate because poorly monitored. Can be around 550k people since the start of the pandemic, based on 10%)

A related opinion: if generalized vaccination (I mean, as with other vaccines in France, the coverage of which is particularly high in the general population, let's admit 80% or more) shows its effectiveness in completely stemming the epidemic, I considers that the maintenance of its application is NOT A RESTRICTIVE MEASURE (although, it would be necessary to know the rhythm of the reminders, but we are not there yet.).

Why such a subject: at the moment, in France, hospitalizations, people in real life and deaths from COVID are at their lowest. The number of cases is increasing rapidly, however. But it is the only "indicator" which evolves to the rise in a notable way. However, it is in this context that restrictive measures are being voted on, cover fires reinstated, masks re-imposed on the outside. Great Britain, at the same time, has decided to reopen everything, even though they have .... twice as many cases. Without any restriction!
Why such differences?

The question is therefore to know if you believe that at a certain moment (which one?), These measures simply no longer have a reason to exist?

[Janic]

unfortunately, you start from too many assumptions and lack of other elements as important as the measures taken or to be taken. To begin with by not continuing these marketing advertisements intended to create permanent, unjustified anguish in the populations to push them to adopt a unique solution: the miraculous vaccine in a religious way.
Then do not count the supposed deaths from covid when only autopsies, which are not done in the majority of cases, could confirm or deny.
Studies on placebo / nocebo show how much the psyche of this type influences the state of health of people who believe they are sick even if they have nothing and no PCR will detect.
or even impose a contamination test on vaccinated people who would show that the majority are contaminants after vaccines, tests that are not done, etc ...

[Christophe]

Never

[izentrop]

If we place ourselves on the government side, it is when covid patients will no longer encumber hospitals and especially intensive care units, given the pulmonary involvement of the disease.

The delta variant accelerates contagions

it only takes an average of four days with the Delta variant, compared to six during the 2020 epidemic, to infect other people. As for the viral load of the Delta, it is 1 times higher than that of the first strain. https://www.leparisien.fr/societe/sante ... TQKA6A.php

All recent studies show that Variant Delta: two doses of vaccine more than 90% effective against hospitalization
In our affluent countries, we are lucky to be able to be vaccinated for free and to receive proper treatment in the hospital.

The inhabitants of the poorest countries would like to have this chance. They are still the ones who pay the heaviest price

Bangladesh has reported average infections of nearly 11 and over 000 deaths per day for the past week.

"It will be difficult to manage the situation with limited health facilities if the rate of infections increases due to the unbridled popular movement," said Iqbal Arsalan, a member of the government advisers group working on the fight against the epidemic of coronavirus.
https://www.fr24news.com/fr/a/2021/07/l ... lites.html

[Petrus]

Never

Indeed, and it's official:
https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/ ... LOIS/CL185

[Rajqawee]

If we place ourselves on the government side, it is when covid patients will no longer encumber hospitals and especially intensive care units, given the pulmonary involvement of the disease.

OK. Sounds good to me. These indicators being at their lowest, we can reopen everything without restrictions! This beautiful feeling of freedom will be great in the days to come, I can't wait!

[Janic]

All recent studies show that Variant Delta: two doses of vaccine more than 90% effective against hospitalization

Those that vaccine manufacturers have ordered to make people believe that their product is a good product (but above all a good business) shows us the others that you are constantly zapping.

In our affluent countries, we are lucky to be able to be vaccinated for free and to receive proper treatment in the hospital.
The inhabitants of the poorest countries would like to have this chance. They are still the ones who pay the heaviest price
Bangladesh has reported average infections of nearly 11 and over 000 deaths per day for the past week.

And now the feeling of guilt, he does not miss any
Formerly rural populations are increasingly crowded into cities, which is an aggravating factor for the transmission of diseases of all kinds, plus refugee camps with catastrophic living conditions. And the zozo dares to compare this dramatic case with ours.
They don't need vaccines, but good hygienic conditions and undenatured food to strengthen their immune system.

[Rajqawee]

Ah, I take this opportunity to anticipate slightly:

"Yes, but we must also anticipate the dynamics of the epidemic, precisely to avoid certain thresholds being exceeded. We cannot therefore be satisfied with looking at the current state of things to decide whether or not we are in an epidemic" .

No problem. Please show us the models, with their historically proven reliability, making it possible to correctly predict the dynamics without measurements, the dynamics with measurements, and therefore to choose the said measurements to avoid exceeding the said thresholds (which remain to be defined).

[Obamot]

When to consider that the COVID-19 pandemic is over and no longer requires special measures?

What pandemic?

https://odysee.com/@amis.constitution.r ... elberger:0

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[Christophe]

That the Obamot: https://www.courrierinternational.com/a ... s-plus-que