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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby pedrodelavega » 01/06/18, 16:19

Janic wrote: You will have to repeat your pseudoscientific mantra while millions of people are healing around the world. "Dogs bark, but the caravan passes"
Millions of people believe in God, is this a proof?

Janic wrote:So that's a speech " fool who never changes his mind ". Alternative medicines are not all about giving medicines and as for placebo efficacy, the topic was seen and reviewed and this concerns TOUS care systems.
The measured effect in homeopathy is only that of the placebo effect: Which means that its own effect is zero.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 01/06/18, 17:39

Janic wrote: You will have to repeat your pseudoscientific mantra while millions of people are healing around the world. "The dogs bark, but the caravan passes"

Millions of people believe in God, is this a proof?

You see that you can ask interesting questions?
Most people believe in a lot of things, including atheists, in their daily lives. You think your wife does not make you cuckold, that your kid is not a dealer, that he did not cheat on his exams because you trust them ... a priori, without proof. Others believe in science, theirs (not in SCIENCE) failing to believe in anything else. To believe does not require proof!
Then if you're told that you're cuckolded, that your kid is a drug dealer or a drug addict, that he cheated on exams, you'll try to find out if that's right or not on the evidence (not necessarily evidence) that he is good or not.
Then come the evidence and that's essential. Except to fall on the woman kissing, you can doubt because even photomontages can be false (and long live the computer), if you do not see your kid directly as a dealer, the testimony of the cops will not be enough since this is not sufficient proof, and as for exams if he gets an 18 (a stroke of luck falling on his favorite subject) where he did not exceed 10 average, doubt is in order. You see it's not that simple.
Where are you? In 1; 2 or 3?
So except to try yourself this homeopathy with a real homeopath, you can always repeat your mantra below. Because it is the personal experience, and it alone, which shows or not that it works as for any other medicine And if you do not believe it because you are hyper rational, it is still better, you will not be able to accuse you, yourself, of weakness of mind.
The effect measured in homeopathy is only that of the placebo effect: which means that its own effect is zero.
What is null is this affirmation.
Who says it's only the placebo effect? Incompetents in this area and this has already been seen and reviewed! I repeat to myself, a pork butcher, does not have the skills of a surgeon even if they slice the bitch both and therefore to each his job and his skills and therefore the A take care of their system and the H of their ... and the cows will be well guarded. : Cheesy:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Gébé » 01/06/18, 19:18

Janic wrote: it is the personal experience, and it alone, which shows or not that it works as for any medicine besides

There we reach peaks : Shock: : Shock: : Cry: : Cry:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 01/06/18, 20:22

There we reach peaks
so you understand that Phase IV labs is useless and therefore no matter if there are mild side effects like serious :?: and that you would go away cheerfully! : Cry: : Cry: : Cry: : Cry: : Cry: : Evil:
But rather tell the readers what you know or rather ignore obviously on the H.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby izentrop » 01/06/18, 23:57

To put you on the track : Wink:
Analysis errors!

We all know smokers who do not die of lung cancer, it is not proof of the safety of tobacco.
When a treatment coincides with a cure we tend to feel that it has been really effective, and to advise it. http://web.fdn.fr/~amagnouat/metge/spip ... le233#expa
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Unread Messageby izentrop » 02/06/18, 01:15

But OK ! it is hardly lost as usual, because your conspicuous mind can not understand this type of reasoning.
You will certainly still get away with a pirouette and fill another page of your litany.

I hope I'm wrong, despite everything : Wink:
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Unread Messageby Janic » 02/06/18, 09:26

To put you on the track
Analysis errors!
We all know smokers who do not die of lung cancer, it is not proof of the safety of tobacco.
When a treatment coincides with a cure we tend to feel that it has been really effective, and to advise it.
http://web.fdn.fr/~amagnouat/metge/spip ... le233#expa
It may be surprising, but I find this article rather well done, even very well done ... except for a few hinge points that if we replace the word allopathy by the word homeopathy, in this speech, it remains quite consistent in the logic used and it is the A who becomes the villain of history.
So if it interests someone can dissect this speech by the menu highlighting its strengths and weaknesses.
Example:
Read [this excellent article by Minerva [4] on this subject-> http://www.minerva-ebm.be/EN/Article/434]
Why do we so often feel that accurate drug treatment has significant clinical efficacy, while randomized, double-blind studies show no efficacy or low efficacy?

This point has already been seen and reviewed, until complete wear and it showed that it did not work for homeopathy which is not established on the criteria of allopathynor are the criteria of a mechanic the same as those of an electrician ... and you must know something about it!
For the experiment in question, obviously! What would be the point of pharmacovigilance feedback if these experiments were valueless? Because if the patient has no side effects, if not serious, at least embarrassing as for levothyrox currently, the medoc will be Assumed have been effective while it may be due only to its placebo effect. The patient wants to be healed or improved and so he believes in it and it's better!
So if an electrician wants to make a comparison of efficiency between an electrical installation to provide power and a mechanical installation with its chains, pulleys and gears' (and even if the two can be complementary) none of the criteria of one are applicable to the other.
When you have understood that, if it is possible for you, you will have already taken a big step towards a better understanding between two systems which the criteria of one are not applicable to the other.
But OK ! it is hardly lost as usual, because your conspicuous mind can not understand this type of reasoning.
still your scratched disk pseudo-pseudoscience, it is the method TJ which, when they are blocked, return to square one and it is left for a turn!
You will certainly still get away with a pirouette and fill another page of your litany.
It will not happen to you, you seem incapable of a structured personal analysis that is not copy pasted that you do not seem, always understand the meaning. Like the above-mentioned! : Evil:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby pedrodelavega » 02/06/18, 15:12

Janic wrote:So if an electrician wants to make a comparison of efficiency between an electrical installation to provide power and a mechanical installation with its chains, pulleys and gears' (and even if the two can be complementary) none of the criteria of one are applicable to the other.
It does not mean anything: We can very well compare and check the efficiency of a car and an electric car with the same criteria (speed, performance, pollution, autonomy, noise, etc ...). Or compare the performance, the power of a heat engine and electric.

But it's classic like speech: "When the measured temperature is not good, it is necessarily the fault of the thermometer, etc etc etc .... and this big global conspiracy of big-pharma etc etc etc etc .... "
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 02/06/18, 16:12

janic wrote: So if an electrician wants to make a comparison of efficiency between an electrical installation to provide power and a mechanical installation with its chains, pulleys and gears' (and even if the two can be complementary) none of the criteria of one is applicable to the other.
It does not mean anything: We can very well compare and check the efficiency of a car and an electric car with the same criteria (speed, performance, pollution, autonomy, noise, etc ...). Or compare the performance, the power of a heat engine and electric.
I suspected that by writing this above, that holding out the pole there would be someone to grab it and it did not fail!
Now READ CAREFULLY what is emphasizedyou had to see him: no?
So I did not compare the efficiency as to the result that can be obtained by each technique, but the only criterion that an electrician whose skills are in this subject and a mechanic who has skills in another field and where none of the criteria is applicable to the other. Clearly an allopath, it's ... an allopath! and a homeopath is ... a homeopath! As it's weird or rather basic, it's called a text analysis!
And as you (or your alter ego) will inevitably say that an electrician can have knowledge in mechanics and actually make a product reconciling the two skills.
Well yes! This is indeed the case for H physicians who first studied allopathy, plus additional studies in homeopathy and can reconcile the two disciplines. But this is not the case for graduates only of allopathy but who want to pretend they know what they have not studied. So they do not know anything about it, they are incompetent! You finally perceive the nuance! (Finally, I hope!)
But it's classic like speech: "When the measured temperature is not good, it is necessarily the fault of the thermometer, etc etc etc .... and this big global conspiracy of big-pharma etc etc etc etc .... "
What is classic is that the more someone ignores a subject and the more he wants to make him believe he knows him. " Vanity of vanities But your sentence can also be phrased in this way with a little modification. When the temperature can not be measured because of a thermometer, it is necessarily the fault of the temperature And another construction of the same kind that does not mean anything intelligent.
Finally, for the big global conspiracy of big pharma, it's the same cask as talking about oil companies' plot, nuclear plot or any other supposed plot. It's not a matter of conspiracy, but business, big money, dollars, euros, money, flouze, picaillons, pèze, etc ... blackmail employment, Ahmed speaks better than me. And so when a company has to defend its business, it acts according to its immediate interests (more than 1.000 billion), more than those of its customers. If tomorrow the H could have collected as much money as the A, all the industries would start there and forget, as if by chance, their diatribes on the H because of this new Eldorado that would present itself.
This is likely to happen in the long term, given the (relative) speed at which it is currently spreading and there is money to be made, which India has understood. It should remind some people of this "prophecy" of Alain Peyrefitte "when China wakes up ... the world will tremble"and she was awake awake and the world shook and we bites our fingers for not having anticipated.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Gébé » 02/06/18, 17:50

Janic wrote:If tomorrow the H could have collected as much money as the A, all the industries would start there and forget, as if by chance, their diatribes on the H because of this new Eldorado that would present itself.
This is likely to happen in the long term, given the (relative) speed at which it is currently spreading and there is money to be made, which India has understood. It should remind some people of this "prophecy" of Alain Peyrefitte "when China wakes up ... the world will tremble"and she was awake awake and the world shook and we bites our fingers for not having anticipated.



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But it is full of money with homeopathy, on the back of the gogos who believe in it and also (for now) contributors who do not give in the fashion of the irrational. With ratios and progressions that have nothing to envy to the best champions of "Big pharma"
It remains overall fairly French-French, it seems unlikely that Asia, which for lack of means has been content until there is little alternative medicine, is throwing itself headlong into the use of placebos.
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