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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 15/07/17, 12:40

I think that Pascal meant a renunciation of the ego, as a condition of access to spirituality ...
Pascal was a complex character, from which the apparent contradictions of his discourse as well as the role of the illness situated at the limit of a redemptive divine curse that must be placed in its context and its time and it is probable that today, Hui he would reason differently. 8)
What is shocking is that these antireligious people want to give themselves an appearance of knowledge in an area they do not know (as for vaccines or H) experimentally. : Evil:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby pedrodelavega » 17/07/17, 18:31

Janic wrote:
The scientist verifies and has since verified these examples cited: They have all been refuted

What verification, what refutation
These include:

The Moon and Gardening:
https://www.science-et-vie.com/galerie/ ... antes-6129

The dowsers:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourcier#Exp.C3.A9riences
https://theierecosmique.com/2017/03/28/ ... de-munich/

The magnetizers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESl6vUQyRhM
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magn%C3%A ... 9rimentaux


Janic wrote:The cases cited of fire cutting are not scientifically explained, but are an indisputable reality.
... still a widely disputed phenomenon.

Janic wrote: But you have a memory gap for the dead 146.000 that have been abandoned by your followers.
Doubtful amalgam between "give up" and "fail to heal" :?
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 17/07/17, 20:17

Janic wrote:
The scientist verifies and has since verified these examples cited: They have all been refuted

What verification, what refutation

These include:

Already does not mix everything, the subject indicated above did not concern the subjects below
The dowsing with reward is absurd and can attract only margulins interested in the sum in question.
https://theierecosmique.com/2017/03/28/ ... de-munich/

For your teapot the subject has already been seen and reviewed. As a maternal level, they are champions!


In Germany, following the employment on the fronts of all medical doctors graduated from medical school during the Second World War, magnetizers practiced a lot with the population. Necessary] After the war, they created a training, then an ongoing diploma, from Heilpraktiker, but according to the German regulations it is clearly defined that the practitioner as Heilpraktiker is not a doctor. The magnetizers practice there in hospitals, clinics, and are reimbursed by most mutuals. The situation is the same in Italy and Switzerland. In Canada, the United States and Scandinavia, with a growing number of practices and practitioners, legislation is being drafted to delimit the practice framework to avoid confusion between practitioners and all charlatanism issues and Scams of all kinds

For the zetetic, this pseudoscientific sect is not scientifically precise.

Each time you evoke people who do not know anything about it and make comparisons as on the H.
Janic wrote: Cited cases of firecuts are not scientifically explained, but are an undeniable reality.

... still a widely disputed phenomenon.

Anything can be disputed in an abstract way, even your sites to the nut. But there is a difference Between experience on the job, undeniable because it is a fact in real life And laughs behind their computer that have no lived experience and express themselves on a subject that they totally ignore.
Janic wrote: but you have a memory hole for the dead 146.000 that have been abandoned by your followers.

Doubtful amalgam between "give up" and "fail to heal"

Oh, linguistic but interesting subtlety! It is abandoning one's tragic fate when they can not cure and In spite of everything, refuse any mode other than theirs.
It is as if a rescuer would provide care to a casualty but would refuse any help until the death of the wounded, he would end up in jail for refusing assistance to anyone in danger, but not big pharma!
The doctors' order forbids its members any nonconformist practices or questioning the system (as for Joyeux!)

Example: DR Lagarde (among others) was prohibited from exercising because he treated his patients with interleukin not authorized in France at the time, but recognized elsewhere and whose interest was then recognized .
This interleukin is necessary for the development of CD8 cells specific to an 1 antigen, as well as in number 2. It stimulates the synthesis of glycane O by the latter, thus contributing their collection in the places of inflammation3.
With interleukin 12 and alpha and beta interferons, it promotes the proliferation of NK4 lymphocytes via the mTOR5 pathway.
It is also produced by dendritic cells and allows their activation 6.


NB: I have a neighbor who has just died of cancer. His family, his neighbors saw his health deteriorate with every treatment and he gave up his life at the last radiation. Should I say finished rather than abandoned? : roll:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 31/07/17, 10:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0l-R4Z9k0Y

Medications lobbies, lies, manipulations
For whom, ignores how pre-market testing of drugs is done
A dehulling by the menu of what everyone should know.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 29/05/18, 08:18


invited to a debate organized by the facet, Etienne Klein, iconoclast, sets the record at the time of the character youtubeur big fan of the critics on the pseudo sciences. Pausing with impatience, he finally asks his question about what Klein thinks about pseudoscience and this one, who knows why he was invited, answers that "science is pseudoscience" without further comment, which cuts the quid to Monsieur Tronche at an angle.
Yes, the notions of science, the true, the great, escapes all and these are just bits that we use that tomorrow may be questioned, partially or in full.
Another interesting point which Klein emphasizes on the notion of origin which is not the origin as we think and use the term, but is, according to him, only a result of what has preceded and what has preceded, we do not know.
What was there before the BB? What gave rise to life? What is there beyond the universe? etc ...
So listen absolutely by pseudo-pseudoscienseurs!
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby izentrop » 29/05/18, 23:59

Hello,
Nothing shocking or disrespectful of each other. EK spreads much as usual and gives food for thought, Mendax the crop because it has imperatives to respect.
The rest is only personal interpretation and humor.

And as usual, no relation to the subject. : Mrgreen:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby Janic » 30/05/18, 08:10

Hello,
Nothing shocking or disrespectful of each other. EK spreads as much as usual and gives pause,
Who spoke of disrespect? This is the game of cat and mouse EK knowing very well or TB is trying to bring him, but this is not the first time he participates in this kind of debate and he prefers to keep his hand on this one rather than being stuck in a dead end.
Mendax reframes it because it has imperatives to respect.
To reframe EK you have to be strong, much stronger than "mendax"! (Which says "I spend my time interrupting my interlocutors which is impolite, I know)
But he too wants to keep his hand and lead EK to the question that is itching: what is a pseudoscience. I quote :
(... 1h05 ') TB: Do we have pseudo sciences? We have lots of people with smoky theories: do we have pseudoscience, in quotation marks, installed and we can call pseudo sciences on the question of origins in physics, in chemistry, on the functioning of matter or the universe?
EK:Well, I know it's your specialtybut when a scientist speaks, it's he who speaks.
Imagine what SCIENCE would say if it could speak, it's something that no one is really capable of, and so every time you comment on SCIENCE, you probably say something other than SCIENCE could speak. So we could say that any scientific discourse is already a form of pseudo SCIENCE. It's just to tell you that it's not easy on what we can say when we talk about SCIENCE. (...) I often quote Wittgenstein, it is the one who has alerted as a philosopher about the games of language and the fact that when we speak we say things we do not really think about and that you would cheat with her a priori clandestine that we do not master it and so, even when you talk about time: is your way of speaking about physical time not contaminated by all the speeches that we hear that come from languages ​​as we speak them? daily. That is to say, are you sure that you are not injecting into your discourse on SCIENCE things that come from language and not from SCIENCE? This is, in my opinion, a delicate question and as science has created a break with language. In his words Newton, physical time is a time that has none of the properties that language attributes to time: it is independent of what happens in time, it does not change over time, its way of being time, we can not even put a qualifier, because it is the same for all phenomena, etc ... (1h08'10 '')
The rest is only personal interpretation and humor.
As indicated by EK, above, all is personal interpretation, obviously. On the other hand what he says, and he insists on it, is the fact that some people want to take hold of SCIENCE, (like other of GOD), to manipulate this concept to make stick to their limited concept of science and so this resulted in a form of pseudoscience inevitably. And that for real scientists, then scientists ... .. them !!!! : roll:
And as usual, no relation to the subject
On the contrary, EK's thinking does not concern a a particular science or pseudo science, but rather all that includes the word science in a discourse, which is parasitized by the culture of the language used. " EK: Well, I know it's your specialty, but when a scientist talks, he's the one who talks. Imagine what SCIENCE would say if it could talk, it's something that no one is really capable of, and so every time you comment on SCIENCE, you probably say something else than if SCIENCE could talk. So we could say that any scientific discourse is already a form of pseudo SCIENCE. »
So is the H a science? In the literal sense of the word: yes! since it explores part of the spectrum of knowledge that other sciences do not do.

Science is the body of knowledge and studies of universal value, characterized by an object and a method based on verifiable objective observations and rigorous reasoning.

Is Newtonian science a real science? Of course yes, had regard to the knowledge of the moment and yet it is different from the science of quantum mechanics that will come later. Allopathic science is also a science (among others) of the moment, questioned by another science that is closer to the quantum world than the usual physical world that comes in doses by weight. Without the H knowing why or how it works.
It is therefore Planck's wall of this science and the error, common to all who want or pretend to know, is to give a "Newtonian" rational explanation to what, for the moment, is not explicable. by this channel there.
based on verifiable objective observations
this criterion is filled by millions of observations and reports from all over the world. Observations made by SES specialists like astronomy is the fact of the observations of proven specialists astrophysicists, not by the butcher of the corner., the latter can deny this science, of course!
and rigorous reasoning
To have a rigorous reasoning, one must have all the cards in hand, which, like all the new sciences, may be insufficient as Newtonian physics did not possess the cards of quantum physics to explain everything about everything. And if it were necessary to have ALL the knowledge before decreeing that such thing is scientific, there would hardly be anything so catalogable.
But there is no physical scientific explanation beyond the observable field, otherwise it is only a hypothesis, not even a theory.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines

Unread Messageby izentrop » 31/05/18, 00:24

Janic wrote:individuals want to seize SCIENCE, (like any other of GOD), to manipulate this concept to make it stick to their limited concept of science
It's totally yours : Mrgreen:
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Janic wrote:
individuals want to seize SCIENCE, (like some other GOD), to manipulate this concept to make it stick to their concept limit science
It's totally yours : Mrgreen:
like all those who want to seize a subject, as EK emphasizes and it concerns you too, inevitably!
Except that there is a whole, every little nuance that escapes you is that all science requires many years of study to claim to know such or such subject (such as astrophysics, theology or the collection of butterflies) which is obviously not your case. So study first, compare and then give an "enlightened" opinion, instead of repeating stupidly the mantras of your pseudo-pseudosciences. : Evil:
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Janic wrote:Except that there is a whole, every little nuance that escapes you is that all science requires many years of study to claim to know such or such subject (such as astrophysics, theology or the collection of butterflies)
"the habit does not make the monk", I repeat it often and there are lots of examples of leading figures who slip into the pseudo-sciences, higher education or not.
We've been saying this since the beginning, science is facts accepted by everyone, and we often quote the first person who made a discovery as a scientist, but that's not the point.
Coming back to EK, I'm probably going to misunderstand: Newton has made laws on gravity that are still used today in their field of expertise and that distinguish among other things the difference between weight and mass and different forces exerted on the bodies. To a certain extent the famous formula "weight = 9.81 N" is always useful to the raz of the daisies. : Wink:

What Einstein has brought is that when distances become important, the speed of light comes into play and at the cosmic level, gravity is not a force, space and time form a whole deformed by massive bodies and has deduced refined laws today, but not called into question.
Similarly for Galileo who issued a law on gravity in the vacuum without being able to verify it at his time.

In medicine, the effectiveness of drugs is checked in double blind, from different angles and we draw the benefits and disadvantages and the bottom line is that the benefit / risk ratio is largely in favor of the benefit.
For alternative medicine, it's Russian roulette : Twisted:
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