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[GuyGadebois]

We don't use it, we deliver it ...

April 9 ....

Bern, June 8, 2020 Lifting of measures / Prescription and delivery of Plaquenil® and Hydroxychloroquine Zentiva® for the ambulatory area Ladies and Gentlemen, Following the communication of April 9, the epidemiological crisis situation has subsided and the supply in hydroxychloroquine for chronic patients has stabilized and no longer poses any difficulties at present., In view of the favorable development of the situation, the recommendations and the accompanying measures (use of the order form) are no longer necessary and are therefore lifted with immediate effect

https://www.bag.admin.ch/dam/bag/fr/dok ... esures.pdf
We delivered it on April 9, we always used it ... and it's without restriction.

[pedrodelavega]

We delivered it on April 9, we always used it ... and it's without restriction.

No they stopped in May. See post above.

[GuyGadebois]

We delivered it on April 9, we always used it ... and it's without restriction.

No they stopped in May. See post above.

No. It was just a little harder to get them (papers to fill out) before the restrictions were lifted.

[ABC2019]

on the IHU website, there is a map of the countries where the HCQ is recommended (according to them in any case)



we therefore note the presence

the United States :

from Brazil :

from Iran:

From India :

From Indonesia:

We can compare these curves for example with that of France and Germany:

The effectiveness of the HCQ seems ... formidable.

[Obamot]

Yes and...? Other than that? Was the fishing good?

So the sister of Federal Councilor Micheline Calmy-Rey, would have changed her mind in a week ...?

Surely you have an explanation or are you posting here to pass the time?

And I hope you can read: “limit" does not want to say "stop”, Please confirm what I'm saying!

[obsolete links against a backdrop of controversy after fake study withdrawn from Lancet]

You always swim in troubled water, you definitely ... And you don't comment? Do you have a brain?

I remind you that this affair has become eminently political!
Everything is in the nuances (against a background of hypocrisy, there they are experts ...)

Your first link:
- “restrict”Does not mean“ stop ”

Your second link:
- The first two paragraphs show that HCQ (+ AZ) bi-therapy has been used massively,
- The article is dated May 26, evening shortly after the fake study withdrawn from the Lancet, which left traces https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Your third link:
- “A decision linked to recent studies calling into question the beneficial effects of the treatment, explain the two health establishments. ”
QED.

[pedrodelavega]

Your first link:
- “restrict”Does not mean“ stop ”

Your second link:
- The first two paragraphs show that HCQ (+ AZ) bi-therapy has been used massively,
- The article is dated May 26, evening shortly after the fake study withdrawn from the Lancet, which left traces https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Your third link:
- “A decision linked to recent studies calling into question the beneficial effects of the treatment, explain the two health establishments. ”
QED.

They may have stopped on the basis of a bad study, but they stopped anyway and did not restart,

So going back to our sheep:
The article in "France soir" is bogus ( http://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sante/ ... rrefutable )


1 / The figures are wrong:
On a window from June 9 to 22: we are told that there have been 35 deaths, for 300 cases resolved.
Problem? Between June 9 and 22, there were 5 deaths from COVID in Switzerland.
(they use data provided by Johns Hopkins University, instead of official data)

2 / The dates are wrong:
There was no resumption of treatment on June 11, only an administrative change: No need for a form to order, an update for pharmacists who can just order Plaquenil again without going through the form since the epidemic peak has passed. https://www.ge.ch/document/21115/telecharger

[Obamot]

There are several names in the lab that deliver them, they just have to say that they no longer prescribe a particular brand (without saying that it is for political reasons) and suggest another preparation that contains the molecule ... I have worked in export in a pharma, I know what I'm talking about


You still haven't got it!

Johns Hopkins data, is data disseminated by hospitals and collected day after day ... They are therefore not manipulated with an underlying political weighting (and obvious, and it is in this sense that they are very interesting.

Try again...

[GuyGadebois]

1 / The figures are wrong:
On a window from June 9 to 22: we are told that there have been 35 deaths, for 300 cases resolved.
Trouble? Between June 9 and June 22, there were 5 deaths from COVID in Switzerland.
(they use data provided by Johns Hopkins University, instead of official data)

False.

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Which makes 17. But not 35. France-soir's paper is therefore a dung.

You have all the figures for Switzerland there (attention 96Mb), but there is something to amuse you:
https://www.bag.admin.ch/dam/bag/fr/dok ... Suisse.zip

[GuyGadebois]

Ps: France-Soir censors certain comments, including mine which tried to warn them proof in support that their article is piped.

[pedrodelavega]

There are several names in the lab that deliver them, they just have to say that they no longer prescribe a particular brand (without saying that it is for political reasons) and suggest another preparation that contains the molecule ... I have worked in export in a pharma, I know what I'm talking about

It is not a question of name of laboratory or name of drug but of the molecule:
https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/dossiers/c ... ine-940988
https://www.heidi.news/sante/exclusif-l ... hloroquine
https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/1 ... enant.html
https://www.estrepublicain.fr/edition-p ... hloroquine

Johns Hopkins data, is data disseminated by hospitals and collected day after day ... They are therefore not manipulated with an underlying political weighting (and obvious, and it is in this sense that they are very interesting.

However, they are less reliable. By the very admission of the author of Francesoir's article:


(Moreover for the French figures, there are also problems of figures:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/france/
With new cases negative and dead negative on certain days)