Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting

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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by Remundo » 21/10/23, 17:25

bocage is indeed an interesting method of cultivation, but mechanization does not go too far in this direction, unless you have smaller tractors (which is entirely possible).

We must not believe that "big agrochemistry" invents Epinal images...

It is perfectly established that 90% of the population was in the fields and that life was hard for men and their draft animals before the advent of agrochemistry and mechanization (both "fed" by oil).

This advent does not come without problems, as you clearly mention.
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by Janic » 21/10/23, 18:11

We must not believe that "big agrochemistry" invents Epinal images...
Of course yes! It's like big pharma which sees customers turning to other health products and causing them to lose their usual profits and so they logically counterattack like any industrialists.
It is perfectly established that 90% of the population was in the fields and that life was hard for men and their draft animals before the advent of agrochemistry and mechanization (both "fed" by oil).
indeed it is inevitably harder than sitting in a tractor! Even a child can drive one with today's gadgets. But these same children, like adults elsewhere, become more and more fragile through their increasing inactivity, opening the door to all the pathologies of sedentary people.
This advent does not come without problems, as you clearly mention.
indeed, but is the game worth it when we see the results on the people concerned who go as far as committing suicide because they are in debt and poorly paid just to stay in an obsolete system in the short term.
Hence the interest of some in turning to other less “productive” (sic) but more remunerative farming methods.
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by thermogravitational wheel » 22/10/23, 07:58

It is not because everyone uses it that it is a guarantee of non-toxicity (Example from the past: asbestos).
If glyphosate is not dangerous then when will there be a glyphosate drink?
For my part, I prefer methods closer to nature without going towards industrial chemistry. To persist in growing plants intensively on soil and in a climate that does not correspond to these plants is simply madness, human stupidity or quite simply greed.
I think human beings must be smarter than that.
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by Janic » 22/10/23, 08:03

I think human beings must be smarter than that.
but can he? It's been millennia or millions of years, depending on beliefs, since humans have managed to do this, seeing that it gets worse each time, so it's not for tomorrow that he will become intelligent :(
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by Remundo » 22/10/23, 08:54

thermogravitationnelle wheel wrote:To persist in growing plants intensively on soil and in a climate that does not correspond to these plants is simply madness, human stupidity or quite simply greed.
I think human beings must be smarter than that.

Yes, but human beings are also gregarious and lazy,

So it grouped itself into intrinsically infertile towns, then their inhabitants wanted to become gentrified and not go to the fields, but to take up very intelligent tertiarized jobs... (but could they do otherwise on concrete/macadam)?

Oil and its derivatives, machinery appeared, and thus "intensive" agriculture developed, neither out of stupidity nor greed, but out of a "sense of History"...

And of course, going to the extreme in this sense will also cause problems.
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by Janic » 22/10/23, 09:23

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Oil and its derivatives, machinery appeared, and thus "intensive" agriculture developed, neither out of stupidity, nor by greed, but by "sense of History"...
on the contrary, greed is and always remains the driving force behind significant changes in societies. Certainly, we cannot call those involved in the development of certain techniques and particularly those who are at the beginning/end of the food chain greedy, at least at the beginning. But its brutal development is linked to the greed of industries which see money flowing freely where, previously, craftsmanship only served to ensure the subsistence of its actors. But this is indeed part of the meaning of History.
Today, with nearly 2 centuries of hindsight, we see where this has led and where it will ultimately end if there is not a radical change, called (wrongly) a return to the past or, pejoratively, a return to the means age. Change chosen or imposed by circumstances, including in part climate change, the reduction of carbon sources, the limitation of raw materials and the global population explosion. The trap is wanting to replace a one-eyed person with a blind one!
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by izentrop » 22/10/23, 09:31

thermogravitationnelle wheel wrote:To persist in growing plants intensively on soil and in a climate that does not correspond to these plants is simply madness, human stupidity or quite simply greed.
The farmer who did this would only have to change jobs. : Wink:

Some people here only read opinion-manipulating newspapers?
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by thermogravitational wheel » 22/10/23, 13:13

“The meaning of history” I didn’t know this person.
History is we who write it with our present...
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by Ahmed » 22/10/23, 13:42

Yes, as agents, but as such we do not do what we want, only what determinisms encourage us to do... This is how we must understand this expression (of rather delicate use ) of the “sense of history”.
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Re: Glyphosate: an effective ecological herbicide, not carcinogenic, not endocrine disrupting




by thermogravitational wheel » 23/10/23, 13:41

what reassures me in your answer is the word “incites” does that leave an opening?
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