Covid and Didier Raoult (supporter of hydroxychloroquine): analyzes on the pandemic

[ABC2019]

I already answered you ... I must be the “dark matter” group then?

And NO, in fact I was just “not opposed"When taking HCQ + AZ, it's not the same (depending on the case, it remains to be determined for which bet / s and you're not a doctor or a teacher ... so make" groups " ) that does not mean that I was “for”, since I am for other approaches in immunology, this is what you skipped in your approach ...binary.

On this bye-bye ...

I have something else to f ... than to converse with someone who wants to remain “pimply” at all costs to have the last word, which I will gladly leave to you.,.

you absolutely do not answer the question asked, so I put it in: "The dilatory answers and the absence of answer are rather the sign for me that it is the b ... in their head and that they would rather be in an attitude of systematic protest but without great logic, in the genre of a somewhat lasting adolescent crisis ... "

[Remundo]

so stop your dialectics .........

well, if that distracts you.

[Obamot]

With pleasure !

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Until further notice.

It's been a week since I have been stuck with wanting to place the comrades forum in two groups which supposedly should oppose, against a background of fallacy ...! Namely, some names mentioned in the “pro-Raoult”

I already told Pedro that there is no “pro-Raoult” => “If you said that, IT IS SO GOOD THAT [...] you're a pro-Raoult ”
There are no “groups” there are only facts! And what about that directly places “those who want to establish groups, in the category of“ anti ”. Which makes it a clearly stigmatizing and interpersonal approach that has nothing to do with the facts.

[Remundo]

excellent Obamot initiative

me as a modo, I have to read (generally diagonally) everyone.

but ignoring each other may be good too

[GuyGadebois]

Ah well me it's been a while since I did this with AVC and Kiki, I'm not saying, it changes your life. I'm going to do it also with realistic and Izy econnerie, because the propaganda, it goes like that .

[ABC2019]

Ah bah me it's been a while since I did that with AVC and Kiki, I'm not saying, it changes your life. I'm also going to do it with realistic and Izy econnerie, because the propaganda, it goes like that .

other than that, there are not two groups on the forum

[pedrodelavega]

And Azytromicin on macaques, that I never heard it's cool.
Always too Has Been Pedro or are you doing it on purpose?

And yet it does exist.

If that doesn't lower the viral load in macaques, there's no reason it does in zumans. CQFD

when I said that there were tench in medicine here ...

It is very common for tests on monkeys. (In March, Raoult based his theory on in-vitro tests with monkey cells)

Probability that it will work on humans if it does not work on monkeys in-vivo: close to 0 says Prof. Mathieu Molimard, head of the medical pharmacology and clinical department of CHU BORDEAUX

New randomized study HCQ + AZT:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... tured_home
"CONCLUSIONS:
In patients hospitalized with mild to moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, [b] did not improve clinical status at 15 days compared to standard care."

[Obamot]

1) It's easy for you to do your bashing ... in the studies that come out, you just have to choose the ones that give negative results. And it is easy to prove that you do this (and that it is bias) because STATISTICALLY there are a lot more studies that give favorable results than anything else, but you only post a lot of studies that fail therapy

2) I do not know the exact context, but expressed thus, Professor Mathieu Molimard makes one think of a liar, manipulator or an ignorant.

Can Pédro tell us about animal experimentation in a short and substantiated way ...?
Why is it so difficult to do and how do they go about selecting “sick candidates” and making a success of the experiment by inoculating them with the diseases they want to study (cancers, viruses, etc.)?
And what sector provides them with these animals?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Is the list of studies mentioned exhaustive? Are the studies mentioned equal? (Are these clinical trials? Case studies? Others?)
In short, this kind of thing, to check if the conclusions they give are reliable or not.
Is this site reliable for you?
https://c19study.com/

Ah ok
The site gives the links to studies ... which most of us know from having already posted them here.

It's not all about giving the links, you have to see what's inside and what they conclude.

This site is obviously not very reliable:

"- This site mixes anything and everything: News, polls, in vitro studies
- Some studies have nothing to do here
- Some studies have no data
- Many studies do not have a comparison
- Some studies have changed conclusions
- Some "negative" studies for HCQ are missing
- The endpoint changes depending on the study chosen
- Treatment changes depending on the study chosen
- The early vs. late is false "

Details here
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1284 ... 41024.html

in what capacity did I quote it?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Would the leadership of the council to orders have been disowned by its base?

Small reminder of the facts all the same, at the time Gastaldi and the others were not far from the guillotine for having dared to try to treat patients of the Covid by disobeying the instruction to do nothing ... .. hell what a crime.

The Council of the Order hits the doctors who treat the Covid-19


And yet ....

July 22 - Doctor Denis Gastaldi passed before the Council of the Order of Physicians and ... received "congratulations for the work accomplished and unconditional support" from "absolutely adorable brothers and sisters".

He had treated patients with Covid-19 using several non-specific drugs, including azithromycin, like other doctors, including JJ Erbstein, Olivia Vansteenberghe, Guy Bellaiche and Alain Branchereau.

Some croquemitaines reproached them, by publishing their practice, for creating hope, at the height of the epidemic.

In the anguish - reinforced by confinement - all doctors, general practitioners and specialists, did their best. Some, by publishing their original practice, thought they could help, and they were right. Thanks everyone!