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by GuyGadebois » 20/07/20, 14:50

izentrop wrote:Something else ?

Yes:
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 20/07/20, 15:14

izentrop wrote:
Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:
izentrop wrote:HCQ is not included in these criteria since it has not shown efficacy in randomized clinical trials https://www.hcsp.fr/explore.cgi/avisrap ... ?clefr=837
point bar. : Wink:
Did you see when your thing was dated ...

Always in. Force to date. https://www.hcsp.fr/explore.cgi/avisrap ... =0&MC1=849

Something else ?


You really really understand nothing to nothing ...
Since when does the HCSP replace the law?

And for the rest I see that you do the duck.
We agree

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by Obamot » 20/07/20, 16:08

:D

izentrop wrote:Something else ?


No, "you can not", : Mrgreen: and you don't us “will not have" : Cheesy: you write:
izentrop wrote:Point bar

But I don't see what is to be understood in this?
Since studies done correctly with the right protocol show the opposite of what you want to prove (at all costs).
Since you have no competence in the matter. And ...
Since the global interest in the molecule speaks for itself:

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by Christophe » 20/07/20, 16:14

May 12 was more than 2 months ago ... much longer than the period of curation (or lethality) of the covid!

And still no formal results for the 218 + 55 studies ??? : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

When we are at war we react faster than that !!
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by Obamot » 20/07/20, 16:31

You have to ask Pédro (first post of the painting ...) : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

In any case, this covid-19 has stirred up this rotten “health” sector which has lost its sanitization ...
Scandals will follow each other for months ...

New opportunities to laugh and cry in prospect ...

[EDIT: I found “his” source, tha daaa ( https://covid-trials.org/ )]

You click on the molecule at the top right ... and at the bottom right you have the type of studies!
Isn't life beautiful? :)
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by Remundo » 20/07/20, 20:23

yes COVID-19 has been a fabulous revealer, both of the decay of hospitals due to lack of funding and organization (that was a little known), but also of very high corruption in the main corridors of health (and it was less).

fortunately, people like Peronne and Raoult "balanced" what was needed without ever weakening.
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by pedrodelavega » 20/07/20, 21:02

VetusLignum wrote:A galaxy in which many studies against HCQ have been produced, often constructed a priori for this purpose (for example, by giving HCQ to dying people, at the wrong doses, or by giving it early, but without AZI).

Doctors knowingly gave ill-treatment, putting the lives of patients at stake, for anti-HCQ purposes?
Do you believe in that?

VetusLignum wrote:Then, regarding this study, the fact that there was no placebo is a problem.
The patients in this study are healthcare professionals, probably nurses; people who live in the same environment, know each other, and must have been surrounded by seriously ill patients with Covid-19.
Imagine: you are a nurse, positive for Covid-19, you agree to participate in this study because your hierarchy asks you to, and, no luck, you are not given HCQ. You know what the severe forms of the disease are; are you going to sit there and wait for your health to get worse? For my part, it is clear, I would seek to obtain drugs, in this case, HCQ and AZI. And, working in the health field, I would be careful not to report nausea-type side effects, so as not to arouse suspicion in the study authors. Note further that there were no deaths, and none broken down among the patients studied; these are good results.

If you manage to find so much bias in RCTs, how many do you find in an observational study like Raoult's for example and what conclusion do you draw?
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by Obamot » 20/07/20, 21:23

tsssss ....

pedrodelavega wrote:
VetusLignum wrote:A galaxy in which many studies against HCQ have been produced, often constructed a priori for this purpose (for example, by giving HCQ to dying people, at the wrong doses, or by giving it early, but without AZI).

Doctors knowingly gave ill-treatment, putting the lives of patients at stake, for anti-HCQ purposes?
Do you believe in that?

Always so prompt!
Where did you read it was deliberate :?: Does incompetence exist, or are they themselves lured by bad studies?

pedrodelavega wrote:If you manage to find so much bias in RCTs, how many do you find in an observational study like Raoult's for example and what conclusion do you draw?

For the “bias” (as above) you have to trust you right? :) : Cheesy:
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by pedrodelavega » 20/07/20, 21:46

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:
pedrodelavega wrote:Anything that gives the HCQ an unfavorable opinion is Gilead's doing? Do you have any evidence?
Who benefits from the crime?
To the mask makers .... This is not proof.

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:
pedrodelavega wrote:You speak of the pick: The Prescrire magazine was one of the first to denounce the scandal of the Pick. However, this review, until recently, declared: "In short, at the beginning of June 2020, we still do not know whether hydroxychloroquine has an efficacy in covid-19."
No relation to my comparison
It's just for the record. The opinion of Prescribe is often relevant and can be factored into the balance.

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:Oxford, authors of British trial Recovery try to hide deaths from overdose
Oxford, authors of British trial Recovery try to hide deaths from overdose
Like the precedent that was cited, this article by Francesoir still seems to be false or wrong, example:

Francesoir wrote:Mortality data within the first 48 hours after initiation of HCQ treatment and comparison with the control group would help to capture whether or not there was excess mortality in this crucial time frame.

Except that ..., the data day by day in the preprint in question:
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by Obamot » 20/07/20, 22:14

ABC2019: I already answered you, I won't come back to that.

pedrodelavega wrote:.... This is not proof.

Always the same unshakeable aplomb!

: Arrowd: : Arrowd: : Arrowd: Speaking of EVIDENCE, we are still waiting for yours : Arrowd: : Arrowd: : Arrowd:

Obamot wrote:
pedrodelavega wrote:Same for the Switzerland, who also massively used HCQ but came back for lack of result.

Which? Source with randomized double-blind study?
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... you will not be able, the results of the studies will only be published in 2 or 3 months ... Image

Still big n'importenawak posted with incredible aplomb and signed Pedro : Mrgreen:


Or you say that you made a mistake and that you don't have one and that is it.

Or you would be a liar and manipulator demanding proof from others as you take positions without having any yourself.

Make your choice.
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