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izentrop wrote:
robob wrote:I had pity, I didn't give you the blue curve.
Even with pipeaux studies, biased everywhere, they do not arrive there: it is to say.
You're still fooling around by not reading the caption that talks about rare serious cases of severe infections.

For the general cases these are the curves below.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/ ... pendix.pdf

The 2 curves are imbittable and uninteresting (mathematical approximation model) but at least you downloaded the study rather than swallowing Molimard.

The simple fact of comparing the effectiveness of two different vaccines over two different periods, but the same population, is biased:
- period 1 June/July/August 2022, BA variant, period 2 Sept/Oct/Nov BA BF BQ variants.
- period 2, all the fragile people who died in period 1 are no longer there and those hospitalized in 1 should be immunized in 2: the population is necessarily less fragile.
- the new variants are less virulent than the previous ones.

numbers :
table S2, for the 65+ (the others we don't care) period 1 (monovalent) on 1.6 M only 130 k boosted, on period 2 (bivalent) on 1.2 M more than 500 k boosted!
We must at least wonder about this difference: at the beginning of autumn all the old people are vaccinated, but who can get a "Booster" in July?
Let's take the completely extravagant hypothesis, huh, that only the most fragile get boosted in the spring...
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robob wrote:The simple fact of comparing the effectiveness of two different vaccines over two different periods...
Honestly, you should introduce yourself as a peer review expert on vaccine studies.
You have every chance, but you are wrong, this is not the place to post your enlightened remarks of the ball https://www.tandfonline.com/journals/ierv20

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izentrop wrote:
robob wrote:The simple fact of comparing the effectiveness of two different vaccines over two different periods...
this is not the place to post your insightful remarks from the ball

And yours are based on what scientific/medical training?
TDC that farts higher than its Qi
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Newsweek is estremdrouate?

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Christophe wrote:Newsweek is estremdrouate?
Republicans are unfortunately capable of making decisions on "fake news" and Di Borgo he likes it

Here is one more proof against this kind of imbecility...
Large-scale meta-analysis finds SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent 95,4% of serious covid infections/hospitalizations. Results are lower for mild infection with a combined efficacy of 44,5%.

Next time someone tells you that “vaccines” don't work.
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Janic wrote:02/03/23, 21:00
robob wrote:I had pity, I didn't give you the blue curve.
Even with pipeaux studies, biased everywhere, they do not arrive there: it is to say.

izentrop wrote:You're still fooling around not reading the caption
Except that the idiot is you letting yourself be fooled by the propaganda
If we could still correct the text, I would write "hibernate"
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izmentrop
Next time someone tells you that “vaccines” don't work.
it wouldn't be new since statistically and officially they NEVER worked. Or bring us the proof.
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izentrop wrote:
Christophe wrote:Newsweek is estremdrouate?
Republicans are unfortunately capable of making decisions on "fake news" and Di Borgo he likes it

Here is one more proof against this kind of imbecility...
Large-scale meta-analysis finds SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent 95,4% of serious covid infections/hospitalizations. Results are lower for mild infection with a combined efficacy of 44,5%.

Next time someone tells you that “vaccines” don't work.

If the vaccine against covid prevented even 50% of hospitalizations, it would be noticed at a glance at the hospital statistics in all the vaccinated countries, by an inflection of the curves of hospitalizations during and after the vaccination period. There would also be a drop in all-cause mortality given the "millions" of deaths due to covid and subsequently avoided: unfortunately, there is excess mortality everywhere in these same countries.

So 95.4% is a really bad troll: no one takes you seriously here anymore. I even think that you yourself know perfectly well that you're talking nonsense.

If I always answer your trolls, it's only so that potential readers of this subject who still have questions can get an idea.
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robob wrote:by an inflection of the curves

Exactly, it is the famous mythical (or mystical or mythological?) statistical inflection point that I've been asking siegvax for 18 months!

Well then !
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robob wrote:If the covid vaccine prevented even 50% of hospitalizations...
In raw numbers as usual.
You should analyze the study, but intelligently this time
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