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Covid-19: like HIV, the coronavirus leads to the suicide of immune cells




by izentrop » 05/02/22, 01:22

The majority of severe Covid cases have a T cell deficiency, caused by mass suicide of these cells following infection. But this apoptosis can be avoided, opening the way to a treatment for severe cases.
https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/sante/c ... res_161133
The study released on January 22 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41418-022-00936-x

Little summary :
However, the coronavirus does not need to enter these cells to cause their suicide, so their death is not a consequence of their infection. Just like HIV, which causes the cell death of infected CD4 lymphocytes, but also of those surrounding them, causing an immune deficiency which leads to the development of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS), which makes the patient vulnerable to a large number of pathogens. Except that with the coronavirus, it is himself who takes advantage of this immune drop to infect various organs of the patient...

This programmed cell death of T lymphocytes would be triggered by an activation of caspases, enzymes which start the process of apoptosis, activation observed in blood samples from patients in intensive care because of Covid. The researchers had already observed this same mechanism with HIV, and had shown in 2018 that it was possible to stop this chain of events leading to lymphocyte suicide by blocking caspases with an inhibitor, Q-VD (produced by American company SelleckChem).

“The idea is now to set up phase 1 clinical trials to test the safety of caspase inhibitors in humans. T cells are the backbone of the immune system. Thus, these molecules could be useful in the long term for patients presenting with lymphopenia when they enter the hospital”, underlines Inserm researcher Jérôme Estaquier in a press release. One more hope for our arsenal against the coronavirus.
Anyone who wants to try self-medication can, but it will take a lot of money. https://www.selleckchem.com/products/q-vd-oph.html : Mrgreen:

INSERM article https://presse.inserm.fr/covid-19-un-ph ... ses/44569/
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 05/02/22, 02:03

What would be interesting to know is the number of vaccinated people suffering from lymphopenia and to compare it to the unvaccinated in the same case. I would not be surprised if the result does not please the Picard cretin who announces this kind of news to us, all hilarious and pleased with himself.
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by izentrop » 05/02/22, 08:13

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:What would be interesting to know is the number of vaccinated people suffering from lymphopenia and to compare it to the unvaccinated in the same case. I would not be surprised if the result does not please the Picard cretin who announces this kind of news to us, all hilarious and pleased with himself.
For the moment, advantage of vaccination, for those over 60, still with omicron https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/que ... WW5O6MXOQ/
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by Janic » 05/02/22, 08:36

always the word to make the bouzo bis laugh.
researchers have shown that in 70 medical cases (from memory) the CD4 count could be low without having AIDS, such as being pregnant. Moreover, it has been shown that these pseudo-AIDS only affect weakened populations, such as through the consumption of various drugs. Montagnier, the idol of AIDS and today despised for having said that this virus was like any other and that a healthy lifestyle was enough to make it ineffective.[*](and at the same time the pseudo treatment with AZT and other tritherapies for which BP saw substantial benefits to be made.

[*] he says the same thing for this other "flu" virus and that vaccines do not improve, on the contrary!
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by Christophe » 05/02/22, 08:58

There is a mistake in the title…you meant vaccine…do we agree???
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 05/02/22, 14:03

izentrop wrote:
GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:What would be interesting to know is the number of vaccinated people suffering from lymphopenia and to compare it to the unvaccinated in the same case. I would not be surprised if the result does not please the Picard cretin who announces this kind of news to us, all hilarious and pleased with himself.
For the moment, advantage of vaccination, for those over 60, still with omicron

Tell me brainless moron, what does your PROSELYTE answer have to do with the question I asked? What does this have to do with lymphopenia???? Aren't you fed up???? : Shock: : Evil:
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by Obamot » 05/02/22, 15:04

M-Izentrop has decided to really spread a permanent intox on the forum, and no one to stop or deter him?

There are almost no serious cases with sufficient and balanced food intake (Vit D, magnesium, selenium, zinc, etc.)
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by izentrop » 06/02/22, 02:25

Obamot wrote:There are almost no serious cases with sufficient and balanced food intake (Vit D, magnesium, selenium, zinc, etc.)
Is it the dietary intake that creates the deficiency and not the disease? :?:

I say that because the conclusions of the study you highlighted are not convincing...
The claims in the study and article are taken against a small cohort of 138 patients.
Only 10 severe cases: 7 had Zn deficiency and were cancerous.
The other 3 died
these non-survivors also had profound simultaneous deficits of Se and Zn, and thus exhibited a kind of universal trace element deficiency.
It cannot be concluded that these patients were malnourished. : roll:

Conclusions:
causation remains unknown due to the observational nature of this study. Randomized clinical trials are needed to verify whether Zn and Se supplementation in patients with diagnosed deficiencies is relevant to reduce the risk of mortality, reduce hospitalization time, accelerate recovery and potentially even prevent post-surgical syndrome. COVID-19
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3304/htm

Really very light for such a high-sounding title Belgian researchers make a startling discovery https://www.lindependant.fr/2021/10/11/ ... 844957.php

Try to read a minimum of the extraordinary publications you post guys : Twisted: : Twisted:
health-pollution-prevention / severity-of-covid-vs-trace-elements-good-nutrition-and-nutrient-assimilation-t17012.html # p470404
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by Christophe » 06/02/22, 02:28

You see Izy you got it wrong in the title... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

Who is triple vax here and will do the test?

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by izentrop » 06/02/22, 02:36

What credibility does this gentleman have today?

Please do not change the title which is that of the article in Sciences et Avenir. : Wink:
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