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Food and hunger: the dead of junk food and malnutrition




View Christophe » 23/01/11, 11:50

Debate on the problems of hunger and food in the world, with an astonishing finding: Too much kills as much as too little!

a) junk food and junk food for rich countries = premature death around 35 million per year see below

b) malnutrition (hunger and thirst) for poor countries = premature death
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrit ... alit%C3%A9
In 2006, more than 36 million people died of hunger or diseases generally linked to insufficient food


The fact is that, almost surprisingly, the number of deaths in cases a) and b) is similar either in 35 million / year (see references below: Health-pollution-prevention / supply-and-junk-hungry-and-malnutrition-disease-t10399-10.html # p191637 et Health-pollution-prevention / supply-and-junk-hungry-and-malnutrition-disease-t10399-10.html # p191655) is about 70 million deaths per year due to poor nutrition!

A better sharing of the food wealth would thus save 2 times lives ....

It must be understood that contrary to popular belief, there is no problem of insufficient agricultural production in the world!

The problem is, among others, that of the distribution of production: too much (calories, waste, industrial junk food ...) for some, not enough for others. In addition to global pricing issues... (see 2008 hunger riots)

Jean Ziegler estimates that the current agricultural production capacity is enough to feed 10 billion ... if it was better shared and less wasted.

There is therefore approximately the equivalent of the food of 3.5 billion men which is "wasted" per year:
- either by economic waste (local overproduction, global impossibility to pay) and tax (expiry date exceeded)
- or by "on food"

Topic from: eco-hypocrite-the-frustration-of-DIMINISHING-in-power-t10395.html

End of the introduction.

oiseautempete wrote:If nothing is done, ultimately a terrible world famine (and the chaos / law of the jungle that will ensue) will sooner or later arrive at the slightest generalized and prolonged climatic incident (eg meteorite impact or eruption of supervolcano) ...


Against an "external" natural planetary catastrophe, we will be able to do almost nothing ... but it has little to do with human responsibility cf: extinction des dinosaurs grids sharp-a-800-c-t10297.html

If not, yes, something must be done but not necessarily what comes to mind at first (reduction of the population, of the birth rate or increase of agricultural production, "compulsory" GMOs ...)

Recall: the current agricultural production is considered sufficient to feed 10 billions of individuals ... it's not me who says it but food experts like Jean Ziegler! Cf: Agriculture-and-supply-hand-low-on-the-ground-this-fr2-t7757.html

How? 'Or' What ? By reducing food waste in rich countries (gain: 30% to 50% depending on the food), by eating less richly (less meat or "refined" products), by (re) learning to share ...

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View oiseautempete » 23/01/11, 11:53

sen-no-sen wrote: This is what it is zero growth, stop growing in number and consumption ... against the term drastic reduction I do not like.

Without extremely severe constraint, the significant reduction in human demography does not work: just have to see what is happening in China or India ... (China: severe constraint (not totally effective and with major adverse effects (1 man Chinese out of 4 will never have a wife for lack of girls, India "option" (vasectomy), again there is a large deficit in girls ...
The limitation of the number of girls is only the fact of assassinations of the baby girls, and secondarily (for the better-off ones) voluntary abortion after selection with the ultrasound or other selective analyzes ...
When in Muslim countries, contraception is forbidden and it is traditional to have as many children as possible ...
I see very dark for the future has a relatively short time (less than 1 century) if nothing is done ... with the current birth rate, the human population can double in only 60ans ... that is FEAR ...
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View Christophe » 23/01/11, 11:59

oiseautempete wrote:..it's FEAR ...


Apparently you have not read my previous answer ...

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In addition, the Earth-Humanity system is a natural system in "equilibrium" (precarious because man does as he pleases) therefore self-regulating ...

In other words: we will not arrive at 10 billion man overnight ...
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View delnoram » 23/01/11, 12:12

Christophe wrote:
Right, humanity was lucky to get by and get where we are ... see the Neanderthals ...


I do not quite understand the relationship with the Neanderthals, could you specify!
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View sen-no-sen » 23/01/11, 12:23

The Neanderthals disappeared about 28 000 years ago, yet he was very close to us.
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View Ahmed » 23/01/11, 12:29

Thanks to you, Sen-no-sen for these terminological precisions which are a prerequisite for any discussion!
Indeed "We must get out of the amalgam of decrease = wild life" and of: critical attitude vis-à-vis the technique = life in the caves + candle !.

The term "degrowth" is not ideal since it is based on what it fights and not what it contains.

Thanks also to Christophe, to recall the theoretical capacity of agricultural production. In reality, the possibility of a large-scale famine is due to the extreme complexity of the current productive system and the sophistication of trade that goes with it.
All this makes the operation of the whole more and more fragileit would be time to be aware of it.
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View Christophe » 23/01/11, 12:31

Well it is that they like us (sapiens sapiens) had succeeded in thwarting the traps of the "primitive" evolution (that is to say to arrive at a conscious intelligent species being able to modify and adapt to its environment in an evolved way. ) ...

Yet even at this stage, they have not survived ... and the reasons are quite polemical between specialists ...

Diseases, lack of responsiveness to climate change, lost war with the sapiens ???

I mean that we did not have the bad luck of the Neanderthals who arrived "so close" to the "goal" (on the scale of evolution ...).

One can have fun imagining the world today if they had survived and there would be 2 intelligent hominid species on Earth. It would make a good SF uchronic novel! I do not know if the theme has already been developed to check.

There would probably be similarities with that of the planet of the monkeys, the hairs in less ... : Cheesy:
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View delnoram » 23/01/11, 12:33

Yes for that ok, but they still lived near 300 000 years which is not really the sign of an inability to survive.
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View sen-no-sen » 23/01/11, 12:42

Hello Ahmed,

I think the assertion decay = wild life / survival, is an interested amalgam to generate the disgust, see the dread for the uninitiated.
One more method that allows to close the debate, which arranges certain ($$$$).
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View Ahmed » 23/01/11, 12:49

Just like the candlelit cave (sic!) Serves as a foil!

If the Neanderthals held the shock 300 000 years, then disappeared without compromising other possibilities, then the challenge is not tenable!
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